Monday, May 4. 2009
Does it comfort you to know
You fought the good fight?
Basking in your victory,
Hollow and alone...
In Part Three, Winston fights a lonely battle against forces that wish to change and control him. In some ways, Winston is always fighting by himself; in other ways, Winston always has someone to rely on (the hope for O'Brien in Part One, his love for Julia in Part Two, and his odd conflation of the two in Part Three).
There's always someone that Winston can at least briefly believe feels the same way he feels, someone to give him some sort of comfort. By believing in them, he can't be alone...which is why O'Brien targets his beliefs once he's been captured. It's the most effective way to "break" him. If O’Brien – and, by extension, the Party – can force Winston to accept a non-reality, it wins. For Winston, defeat lies in believing (not just saying) that there are x number of fingers instead of y, or that 2 + 2 = 5.
A couple of you have expressed frustration with Winston's inability to fight back against O'Brien's perverse mind games. The prevailing wisdom seems to be that Winston knows the truth, and he should be able to hold on against his tormentors. While this view doesn't take the amount of time that elapses for Winston into account (he spends months in Miniluv), it also exists because of a belief that Winston should be able to trust his own mind - to refuse to believe he is insane while everyone keeps telling him he is.
Let's examine Winston's mind - and then your own.
First of all, anyone who's really thought about memory - say, someone reading Tennessee Williams's The Glass Menagerie, as some of you did last year - knows that memories themselves are often distorted. If you tell a story about a remembered event over and over to a bunch of people, you remember the story - but do you really remember the event, or simply believe you know something you've created as a substitute?
Moreover, you can know the substance of something without necessarily knowing something. For example, human beings understand pain, but we can't remember the sensation of it. You can't physically remember what a paper-cut feels like - you'll just remember it feels bad! What you remember as "pain" is an empty placeholder, one that will be replaced during another painful experience and returned as soon as that experience passes.
Winston instinctively understands that things are not the way they should be. He even has dim memories - or memories of memories, or invented memories - of a time before the Party ruled with such an iron grasp. But he has no way to prove these things are real! All of his beliefs stem from a central concept - that his thoughts and experiences are real, and that his perspective makes sense. We demand that Winston hold fast to his faith in this concept, but that’s irrational. Winston could very well be wrong! He has no physical evidence to support himself, and he's exhausted.
Let's use the concept of pain again as our example. Winston believes pain is bad. Why? Because his mind instinctively screams that it is. His perspective is rooted in simple truths, such as "pain is bad." What if he's wrong? What if pain is really good, even something that human beings should aspire to receive, and his instincts – like a sociopath – are completely backwards?
The only way the sociopath can realize his instincts are wrong is if someone can convince him otherwise. That’s exactly what the Party does with Winston. It tries to reorient his thinking in a way that forces him to ignore and erase everything he thought he knew. If you’re re-educating someone, the approach makes sense. You center your entire existence around the perspective you construct – the way you think.
If you wear sunglasses your entire life, you'll see the world colored with a certain tint. If you never wear them, you can't really conceive of the way the world looks through them. Now let's imagine that you were wearing sunglasses your entire life and never noticed. Everything you see is refracted through that lens, and you were never aware your lens was artificial.
Suddenly, you open your eyes to find out that they're gone - the whole world looks brighter and harsher. You've never seen it this way; for all you know, something's gone horribly wrong with your vision. You blink a few times, and nothing changes. What's your reaction - to quickly accept the new sight as the truth, or to deny that reality, close your eyes, and open them again in hopes that your vision has "normalized"?
It's human nature to retreat to the familiar, to initially deny information that contradicts our previously beliefs and experiences. But if I force you to stare at the new, brighter world, and if I insist you were looking at the world through shades - and if I never let you test that accusation, never let you see the glasses, never give you relief - how would you react? Would you still believe that your view of the world was true...or would you begin to worry you'd gone crazy?
Put yourself in Winston's shoes: If someone keeps telling you over and over that you're crazy, and you receive no support or verification that anything you've thought or experienced is even remotely sane, would it be stupid to keep believing in your own rationality? If people keep telling you that you're wrong, wrong, wrong - and no one supports you - do you begin to doubt yourself? When someone begins playing on your greatest fears, will you weaken?
+ If you're in Winston's position, how would you react?
+ Can you stand up to those who try to manipulate you?
+ Do you feel like you are susceptible to manipulation - do you notice when it's happening, and can it be used effectively against you?
+ When faced with people like O'Brien, do you maintain faith in yourself, in the truthfulness of your own beliefs - or do you crumble and surrender to your doubts and fears?
+ Will you keep fighting the good fight if you know you have no hope of winning?
Does it comfort you to know
You fought the good fight?
Basking in your victory,
Hollow and alone...
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If I was in Winston’s position I would have resisted O’Brien until I died of old age. The end result is going to be the same no matter what. If I resist, I die. If I yield to the party, I also die. If I’m going to die no matter what, I choose to die with my own diminutive victory over the party. I choose to die with my thoughts; not necessarily because I cherish sanity, reality, and all that but because in my own minute way I get to say that I beat the party. Another reason why I wouldn’t cave into the reality of the party is due to the fact that I personally consider myself superior to everyone else. If I had a whole a society telling me I was crazy, that I was seeing things through sunglasses, I would think that the society was demented; I would think that everyone else in society was wearing glasses that made everything brighter. I could never give up my reality. USA # 1!
I am susceptible to manipulation in one way. I can be easily manipulated to do whatever it is you want me to do if you can convince me it is for the good of America (Patriotic Propaganda). For example, if I was alive during McCarthyism I would most likely have condemned a considerable amount of people as communists and essentially ruined their lives. It’s not very different from what the kids in 1984 do to their parents. In 1984 kids just make things up about their parents and have their parents incarcerated. If I was around during McCarthyism, the slightest one percent chance that someone was a communist (even if there was no real basis) I would have reported them to the authorities. But other forms of manipulation, such as someone trying to beguile me into doing their work (Tom Sawyer!) will not ever work on me. I am too selfish and trenchant to fall for such tomfoolery.
I think that as Teenagers, we feel inditructable, and the things we think about may be un realistic sometimes. Thats not to say we can't have an imagination. Although dying either way you chose is true, some people jsut cant deal with torture and dying a painful slow death. i see what you mean how both ways would be dying slow and horrible, but i value my life more than the average. And if i knew my neighbor was a communist during McCarthyism, you bet i'd tell some one so fast they wouldnt be able to blink. ahahah
I liked how you mentioned that no matter what direction you choose, if you were in Winston’s position, the end result would still be the same. I can agree on that and how if I was going to die, no matter what, I would still want to die with what I believed in and know that I tried to keep my hopes alive. It would be nice to know that in reality I was right all along. Who knows, maybe you changed society by just trying and believing in what is the real truth.
Greg, I love how you stick to yourself and your believes. In the end, I am not sure you will stay faithful and withstand any condition even down to the worst fear. The death may be painful and slow. Now to think of it, I think I might go the slow way to face my fear, because your idea is very convincing.
I completely agree with you regarding everything you've said for your response. If death is gong to be a constant factor in my life, why must i have to deal with trying to fit into society in order to make others above me satisfied?
It is good that you have strong hope that you would not buckle, but no matter how strong a person is, I think that if they were faces with an intense sitauion of torture or anything worse than that, they would have a different mind set. Winston had no power, and O'brien had much more power than Winston did, so there would be no way that you could resist him before he died of old age. I think that if anyone was in Winston's position in room 101 they would do exactly what he did, and I think that even you would to. It is not something good but being in that situation makes people change their beliefs.
Would you ever consider that the patriotic propagandas could be a falsification for leading you to believe in a certain way that only benefits the government not the citizens (not even yourself)? Every country would propose a different philosophy that claims to be the best (for the government) and dismisses all the other philosophies. However, none of the philosophy could be proven to be the best because the power always falls in the hand of authority like in 1984. For most or nearly all of the philosophies, people would gather powers on top of everyone else (especially the poor) in the name of helping the poor. Then, would you want yourself to be an authoritarian (hollow and empty) or the prole (mindless and optimistic)?
If I was in Winston's position I would try to stay with what I believe and tried to resist O'Brien. I don't know if I could resist O'Brien and his ways of torture because I couldn't take the pain. When I was reading the part where Winston was attached to something that pulled his body apart, making his back strech, it made my back hurt. Though some people say that they would be able to withstand the torture and stick with what they believe in I don't think it would be very possible. Thinking of Room 101 scares me a little on the inside. Having my worst fear comming at me trying to kill me would be horrible. So though I would like to say I would die for my belief I would probably give in.
I think that I am susceptible to manipulation because I try and go with logic most the time. If someone's logic makes sense and it doesn't condradicts what I believe then I may believe them. Also I have probably been manipulated with out ever knowing I was. There have been times where I have been manipulated and only after the fact did I realize. I would try to maintain my faith in myself against people like O'Brien. I would also try to fight the good fight even though I know I am going to lose. I may stop depending on what the circumstances where. If it was a soccer game and I was losing I would continue to fight. I don't know when I would stop because I have yet to face any where I gave up and I can't give a made up circumstance because I don't know what I would do. I'm not in the position so I can't say what I would do for sure.
I do agree that you really have to be in the situation to see what you would do. But, if you believe in yourself anything can come true. Spencer if you really want to hold onto your beliefs in the face of torture and imminent doom I believe you can if you really want to! Jack Bauer was tortured everyday for 14 months when the Chinese captured him, and, if he can take it so can we! And I believe that most people would say that they would fight the good fight even if they face impending doom because we’re Americans, and Americans are number one! We laugh in the face of danger and fight for what we believe in! Fighting for what we believe in was engrained into us since we were kids.
I completely agree about what you said with not being able to handle the pain and yes, though it would suck to give up what you believe in, i think my life is more important- i may never get to have ideas and i might live in misery until i die, but being tortured is something i just can't handle.
Giving in would make the Party feel awesome and we would have this hatred deep inside for all the things they ever did to us. haha like a volcano ready to explode...maybe.
I am totally with you on how Room 101 scares you. Knowing that your worst fear is about to come right at you scares me too. But even though all the torture is about to come, by knowing that you are trying to resist O’Brien’s ways, with what you believe in, might influence you otherwise. It might help you be stronger and not want to give up because you know that you are standing up for your beliefs even at the worst of times.
I know how you feel about now being able to stick to your belief when tortured. As you said, i would also put up a fight even though I can see that I would not be able to last. This makes me sad in a way cause just as Greg said, the outcome is the same, we are going to die either way. It'd be really nice if i was able to prevail and not give in the entire time, just Ampleforth and his poem with the word god.
I am agree with what Spencer said, "I don't think it would be very possible". People can't just give out promise that they have no evidence that can support it. One of my teacher this year always tell us, "People is selfish and people should be selfish." i don't think most people will willing to give up their life for the others or their own faiths.
I agree with you because life is the most important and if we will die by dealing with it, then we should prefer not to do it. If there is something else which is worth to die, then we can choose it. But for fighting for this one, we can still not get anything if we die. I think the most important to live is happiness. Sometimes we try to do something fair just because we want to be treated equally and to satisfy ourselves.
I love how you used the image of Winston and the torture he went through. Just putting myself into Winston's position is already enough for me to question my stamina under pressure. You're right, it's brave to stand up for what you believe in...but is it realistic? Personally, the pain would be enough for myself.
I do agree that the fear and the painfulness would change everything. Standing the painfulness of different level of torture would be impossible for non-professionals. Fear is the only limitation for restricting human behavior, but people might not realize fears in daily life. Most of the commercials are mixing with fear for consumers to believe in the certain way, so they would buy the products. The most typical example would be insurance. People would not be involved into the accident, but the fear in possibility forces consumer to buy.
Room 101 scares me, too. However, I kind of want to examine what lies behind the door especially because it is different for everyone. I rather want to see the blueprint or some computer graphic or something like that. At the same time, I do not want to see it. The Room 101 bothers me a lot and I want to see it, but I do not want to see it. It will probably be gross, so I would probably choose not to see even if I had an ability to see through doors.
I like how you would stay with your own belief if you were Winston but after seeing the touture that came from the streching from the back I totally concur. Your out look in mainlipuation is the same why I look at it. I'm also based on logic rather than what I belive but I think if you believe in something logic should come from it.
The thought of someone telling me im crazy and that I'm wrong when i know it is right, would make me crazy. Iwould over analyze everything i did and pick out every detail that made me different. If i were Winston, i would do everything in my power to prove i was right and resist what O'Brien was trying to force onto me.I think that he was really brave for going through the torture. With me, If it ever came to the point where i was being brutally tortured for something i believed in, i would probably lie and say i was crazy and conform to them just to stop the pain. ( But, secretly i would still believe what i knew was right.. )
Sometimes, even though you are a leader, you have to be a follower, thats just the way it is. But each situation is different, for example, Winston was trying to save himself by saying whatever the Party wanted to hear and by saying "Do it to Julia" when it came to the rats. If someone is speaking out against an idea you feel strongly about, you have the right to say yours back. Except in the Party's world.
I agree that if someone told me that what I believe in is not right I would go crazy. I would try to hold onto my belifs as long as I could, but if the battle is already won there would be no use to try that. Giving up would be the last resort. I think that in the back of my head I would still have that small beleif but there would be no way I could show it. I also agree that sometimes you do just need to follow. It is great to be an individual, but sometimes that is just not the case. It depends on the situation.
I am different from you because if someone tells me I was wrong, I will change my mind. I think if there are many people said I was wrong, they will just persuasive me. It is not easy for me change my mind, but everyone says it forever, then I will just surrender. I agree with you that “sometimes if you are a leader, you have to be a follower.” I think this is the truth.
I would go crazy too if someone tells me what i have always believed in is wrong. I like Brianna's idea of lying to the party. I would do this too if i am Winston. All the Party wants to hear is just "Do it fo Julia", so I can just pretend i have been brainwashed by them, but actually is still the same person.
I agree with you on a lot of things Brianna. However, if only a few people told me that i was wrong when i believe I'm right, i wouldn't go crazy. I would just forget about it and not let it bother me. I really agree with how you would handle the situation if you were in Winston's position. I would also pretend like I'm a loyal follower and believer of Big Brother just to avoid the chance of being tortured, but in the inside, I would stick with my own beliefs.
If I was in Winston’s position, I would still try to stand up for my beliefs even though I would have to endure the pain and torture. I feel that if you truly believe in something, and have a passion for it, why should you second guess yourself and back down? Although society may believe in one thing, that one thing may not always be right. Having believed in it for so long, I wouldn’t want to just give in to O’Brien’s ways; it would just be a waste knowing that all the hard work that was being put in was for no reason. I wouldn’t want to give up so easily because even though others might believe one thing, there is still the “other” truth behind it, the truth that either Winston or you know. For example, since Winston works at the Ministry of Truth, he somewhat knew what was going on, whether it was the changing of history, or certain situations that occurred at different times. If O’Brien is torturing Winston so that he can follow under the Party’s beliefs, it makes me question them and their reasons. If O’Brien really wanted to change Winston’s perceptions, it makes it seem like the Party’s ways are bizarre and might not be so true. Therefore it would make me want to stand up for what I believe in even more because I would know what was going on.
Facing people like O’Brien, I would still maintain faith in myself and the truthfulness of my own beliefs. By having faith in yourself makes your fight stronger. It’s like the compassion scenario we were talking about in class and how the Party’s hardest battle would be getting rid of compassion. You can somewhat relate compassion with faith. If you constantly have faith in yourself and in what you believe, there shouldn’t be anything that brings you down internally. You can be tortured, beaten, tossed your worst fear, and everything bad, but by having faith will only help you overcome these horrible things. The party can’t necessarily get rid of your faith and hope unless you allow them to. Therefore by being strong in what you believe in and constantly not give up even in the hardest times, will somewhat help you overcome this harsh obstacle.
Jen, I have one question. What if O'Brien decided to not kill you with the greatest fear but to just torture you leave you half dead, not totally dead but to the point that you are barely alive? O'Brien might not want to kill you and let you suffer enough to get out the truth. After all, Winston was stuck in there for a long time, O'Brien can waste his life just because he knows he is about to die.
You’re an optimist. I like to think of myself as an optimist as well. But I’m actually a realist with a hint of optimism. I agree with you that we have beliefs that should be stood for because they are what make us unique and give us an identity. These ideals and beliefs are something that we, ourselves, have ingrained into our thought and even let them control our thoughts. But is it realistic to sacrifice everything to try and make a dent into a brick wall by blowing bubbles at it?
I agree with you because our beliefs are important to us as individuals. We want to be different from others. If everyone were to think the same way then that would take away our independence. We have the freedom to believe in what ever we want. If I were to live in a society like 1984 then I would sacrifice my life because there is no point of living. My beliefs would be the only thing worth living for if I lived in a society like 1984.
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." Your positive attitude goes along with this quote. Our faith and believes determine how long we can go against society and I do think that the more we build ourselves up from within, the stronger we get and the more able we are to stand against outside forces. "If you constantly have faith in yourself and in what you believe, there shouldn’t be anything that brings you down internally." What differentiates a weak person from a strong person is how strong are they on the inside. The more you know about yourself the less you are to accept outside ideas.
I admire the fact that you wouldn't give in to people like O'Brien but I think that you might. Not only you but almost everyone would give. I don't think that anyone in our class has been beaten, starved, and tortured so you can't say you wouldn't give in. I think that put in the situation almost anyone would give in. The pain would be unbearable and they will take away your identity even if you don't want them to. The party was most likely willing to keep Winston in the Ministry of Love as long as it took.
If I was in Winston’s position, I would make it seem like I truly believe in everything the government says just so that I won’t have to worry about getting caught and being tortured. I could not imagine living life being paranoid every second, thinking that a spy is watching me or the thought police are going to snatch me away any second. However, deep inside me, I would not fall into conformity. I would not surrender my beliefs just because everybody else around me tells me something different. I’m a kind of person that, in order for me to change the way I think or my perspective, there would have to be solid evidence, proving to me that I am wrong and the other way is right. Being Winston, until there is satisfying information, I would not be at peace within myself.
A good example that shows that other peoples’ beliefs do not greatly influence my beliefs is when I recently got a new car. I always thought that warming up your car is very important. In the mornings, getting ready to leave for school, I would always go out to my car few minutes earlier to start up my car and just letting the engine run for a while before I started driving. Usually, after school I would take my friend home also. Every time, he would stare at me thinking that I am crazy for doing something so unnecessary, then he would laugh at me, and tell me over and over that I do not need to warm up my car. After a while, all my friends tried to persuade me that it was unnecessary and I’m just wasting my gas, but I still refused to believe them. I finally decided to search it up online. From an online article, I learned that my friends were right, new cars don’t need to be warmed up, but old cars might need to be. Now I start driving the second I start up my car.
I just have to say, "I told you, so!!" But I agree with you because I like to be able to have the freedom to believe what I want to, even though people oppose my ideals. The ability to argue and defend your ideals are traits that make us unique and give us a sense of identity. Without these abilities, what are we really but just a useless bag of thoughts waiting to be persuaded. We need that extra sense to defend our ideals that gives us our own identity.
I agree with your actions because i would do the same. When I believe something I believe in it until I am given proof that is untrue or lose hope in it. I usually do this only when I do not fully understand my own reasoning, so I then give into peer pressure. When under pressure it is hard to deny the thoughts and beliefs of other when you yourself do not fully understand your personal reasoning.
When it comes down to the greatest fear, i would have to give up in order to survive. There are some ways that I will try to resist all of O'Brien's ways but when it comes down to it, I would have to give up. I have endured "O'Brien's" Pain and Torture, literally, for over 4 years with the high mileage, and harsh conditions. I can endure much of the back-stretching and starving tortures. If I die by facing the greatest fear, I would rather live by giving up, because there are parts of life where I would have to give up something for the best decision. Eventually, the fear would overcome any human concerns and believes.
I would try me best to get my way out of the trouble and fight my way. If there is nothing left, I would just give my best shot and go for broke. What is there to look for after you are totally beaten down? To go back to my training and races, Coach would tell me go for broke at the last 200/400/mile of every race, because after that race, that is it, there is no other race until the next week or next season. There is no way of winning in my race because, there is always Renaud. At least I tried and ran my heart out. To others, there may be more examples of dance, acting, and trying out for something.
After reading yours, it made me feel a lot better. In my responce I wrote that i would most likely give in and would not be able to prevail over O'Brien. After I read Jenn's responce I felt ashamed for not being able to win and stick to my beliefs, but yours made me rethink everything. If i chose to stick to my word and die, everything ends there. But I choose to give in and live, I still have a chance to prevail over the party since I am still alive. I like how you think Ricky!
If you choose to give in and live you become an entirely different person. You won’t have the opportunity to prevail over the party because the only way they’d let you go is if they were 2400% sure your mind was warped beyond reconciliation. And I don’t give you give yourself enough credit. I believe everyone can withstand pain, bear death, and face down their worst fears as long as one has confidence in himself and is a little obdurate.
I totally agree with Ricky that it will be really hard to insist one's belief while all the other people say the opposite. Also if it is the matter of life, it would be harsher when it comes to it. Also I like how he uses cross-country as an example. Trying one's best and see the limits, it worth much more than just giving up.
If I were in Winston’s position I would want to take the ideal road and stick to my belief till the end no matter what. However in reality it never works out that way. Many people will claim to stick to their beliefs and protect it till their death, but I think even after putting up a fight, in the end everyone will crumble and give in. Every time Mr. Feraco describes the scene of rats running through you, in, out, on, and below, it just makes me sick. I know for a fact I would not be able endure that. And what makes it worst is, that I don’t even know if rats are my worst fear like Winston. This unknown fear of room 101 just makes it impossible for me to protect my beliefs, even though I might put up a fight at first.
Even without the existence of a strong opposition like O’Brien, I am not confident and cannot trust my own beliefs. I am very easily influenced by my surroundings. Ever since I was a kid, I never really had confidence in myself. In elementary and middle school I was the kid who whispered answers or checked answers with everyone before raising my hand. For multiple choice tests and quizzes I faced dilemmas as I stared at the A B C and all of the above. I always wondered how people could have so much confidence in themselves. This constant doubt of myself made it very hard for me to have faith in my beliefs. When you add people with a strong will and purpose like O’Brien contest these already weak opinions, without a doubt my opinions and thoughts fall and crumble. In the face of any opposition my thoughts and beliefs become almost completely worthless.
It seems from your second paragraph that you and I are two peas in a pod. I'm still that kid that checks answers with others before raising my hand and never speaks my mind without some sort of support behind me. I think the fear of what people perceive of you is a major factor in life, especially in 1984. One needs to be extremely discreet and the perfect party member in order to survive. It's a difficult choice to make: to survive or to be true to yourself.
I totally agree with you, Kozue. Just like you, I cannot stand imagining the rats coming for me. The mere thought of them around me makes me uncomfortable. There are just way too many things that I am afraid of that I cannot be sure if rats are my greatest fear. I wish to be strong, but I do not know how to.
Thank you Kozue. After all, no one is able to handle the fear. I have another example, when people annoy you for a certain item or belief, you would likely to ignore it at first. Once it gets into your nerve, you would either have to choice of retaliate or give in. In Winston's position, he is strap into a chair so he is not able to show dominance.
Kozue, I don't believe it is the self confidence that you have that makes you follow everyone else, it's just your way of assuring yourself of being safe. A little boost of self confidence in what you believe in can change everything. Once you learn to realize that your own beliefs and morals are true to you and your soul, you'll be able to believe things without having to follow others. Hence create your own path in life.
Being in Winston's shoes would taint my personality and my natural instincts. Winston has to deal with the Party controlling and monitoring his every move and thought. There is no privacy in this society, therefore; strips away the purpose of humanity and the right of freedom. Though Winston eventually decides to agree with O'Brien and assures himself with the consequences that will happen if he is to be caught, Winston still believes that he can win against Big Brother. This soceity Winston lives in is not the ideal society, it is obvious that Winston is part of the Outer Party because he is the only one in that particular party that does not want to believe in Big Brother. As for if i was in Winston's position, I could personally turn insane and rather wish to become a prole instead because technically the proles are free.
I trust people easily because I am able to be confident in who I pick to trust. When that factor turns against me, I will be angry with myself but I will consider it as a mistake and move on with my life. Everything happens for a reason and when a boulder lands in my path, I will climb past it and move on with my life. There is no reason for me to stop and wait for assistence. IN the soceity Winston lives in, Big Brother and the Party want the citizens to feel like they need their guidence in order to survive and with that, the people loose their sense of independence and basically loose themselves.
It would be extremely hard to be in Winston’s shoes, however if I had to face this situation, I would try as hard as I could like Winston to resist and know that what I believe is right. I also think that just like Winston, I would slowly start to believe in the things other people in Winston’s case O’Brien says. After being beaten or whatever punishment I would resisting because if I was the only one resisting and everyone else was on a different “page” than me there would be no point to resist anymore. The battle is already won and I am not on the winner’s side. It is important to believe in what you know is right, but if there is no evidence of what you believe in maybe it would be good to go along with everything else and secretly have your beliefs. For a certain time period, I would be strong enough to stand up to the manipulative people. If those people still told me I was wrong, eventually after hearing that for a long time I would then assume it would be wrong like Winston.
It would be hard to fight a fight that I know I was not going to win. Saying now that I would be able to and then actually being in the situation is a completely different thing. I think that people do not know what they would really do in this situation unless they were in it.
I think the same way as you. I agree that it is just easier to go along with everyone else and secretly have your own beliefs. If people keep on saying something I believe is wrong, I would also assume that it is wrong but it really depends who the person is. If a person who I trust is telling me I am wrong, I would eventually believe them.
In this situation, everyone would say that they would resist O'brien because we all know that he is evil from the outside looking in. If I were Winston in the book, i would be looking at O'Brien like a major ally against the government. People like security and in this case, O'brien is Winston's security he likes to feel secure that there are others against the party. In this case, its O'Brien. Thats why he asked Julia if she has ever had sex before, because he wants security he wants to know that he isnt the only one thinking against the party.
I agree with you because people do try to fit in. I would do the same if it was the only way to stay alive, but I would want to keep my own beliefs as well. I want to be different from everyone else in society. I would hide my beliefs, but if I were to be caught believing my own beliefs then I would fight for myself.
If I found the whole world had changed, I would not quickly accept the new sight as the truth. But I would not rebel on it because it is hard to use my own power to fight against the whole party. I will see how the party works, if most of the process is true, I will follow it because today’s government can not get all the truth completely, too. But on the other way, if it is wrong, I will still believe that my view of the world is true. For instance, if the party says: “War is peace.” Then I will never believe even though they explain them with evidence. In my mind, war is not peace forever. If people keep on saying I am wrong, I will not have the persistent to say I am right. I will begin to doubt myself. I think only a few people can keep their opinion forever. Sometimes, if I wear a shirt, and then all of my friends tell me that my shirt is ugly, then I will gradually believe that my shirt is ugly. People’s same ideas will just make me shake my mind and someone is really good at persuasive to convince me that I was wrong even if I was not wrong. Overall, I will totally miss myself if I live in that kind of world.
If I am in Winston’s position, I will never rebel on the party. I will just follow the party because I think people are living for happiness, if everyone can follow the party’s rule, then why only I want to go against the party. It is very difficult to beat the party. I will stand up if there are many people want to do that, like revolution. So actually it depends on the situation. If I know it is impossible to win, I will just give up fighting. I do not want to do a fighting that can not win. If I can not win, then what is the point for me to keep on fighting? I can get nothing from the fighting, our human’s life is not that long, and we should spend more time to be happy. I think happiness is the meaning of life, but if I know there is a chance I can win, I will keep on fighting because unfair things should be eliminated in this world. Everyone wants to live in a better world and everyone wants to have the freedom instead of the missing the truth. Like Martin Luther King, without him, black people would not be able to treat equally. So sometimes, it is also a good way to fight with the unfair things.
When I think about the situation that Winston is in, I take myself to believe that I would stand up to the torture and the fear for my ideals. We believe we can stand for these ideals because we believe that these ideals are a part of us, in a sense what we are as individuals. Our ideals give us a sense of identity. But a part of me believes that the only reason I would hold onto these ideals is because I HAD the freedom to think what I want. If this freedom was suddenly encroached upon and people were forcing me to believe a certain way to live, I believe instinct would prevail and I would do whatever I could to live. I would give up my ideals, my beliefs, my own identity to survive because are natural instincts try to save us, as an individual, before anything else. With death, we aren’t exactly able to continue thinking of our own thoughts, but giving into an ideal that isn’t your own is basically the same thing. But if it were me, I would want to survive and at least hope for a better tomorrow where I can’t get caught for hoping for a better tomorrow.
I’d like to believe that I’d know when I’m getting manipulated and say that I’m not susceptible to it. But I don’t believe that I’m ultimately immune to getting manipulated. I feel that everyone is susceptible to some sort of manipulation because there are too many variables that can be taken advantage of. For instance, people are easily swayed when the infliction of pain is imminent because they are scared of getting hurt or bruised. While a father would do anything for their children if he knew that they could be harmed, if he didn’t obey. In the end I don’t believe I could be manipulated unless my greatest fears were approaching me. Winston came into reality with this same situation, in which fear was used to make him cooperate and it worked. The only difference that I believe I’d have with Winston is that my fear won’t be as easily found out or it hopefully won’t be as easily found out
I agree with you about how when it really comes down to life and death, as human beings, saving ourselves is our first priority. We would naturally rather sacrifice our own beliefs and continue to live than to die. I like what you said, "With death, we aren’t exactly able to continue thinking of our own thoughts, but giving into an ideal that isn’t your own is basically the same thing." I strongly agree with you about how death is similar to being alive and not believing in what you want to because being dead, you don't have the ability to think anymore, along with all the other things life includes. Even though both of them are similar, i would also rather to be alive. When you continue to live, there is a chance to experience changes in the future, but when your dead, there is zero percent chance.
When facing with people like O’Brien, I would maintain faith in myself and in the truthfulness of my own beliefs—I wish I can say that. I truly, truly hope that I can proudly speak those words. But I cannot. That is an ideal to me because I know I am not strong enough to go against everything for my belief. When in face of fear and pressure with no one supporting me, I know I would probably give in to doubts and fear at the end. No matter how much I wish to do what I believe to be right, I do not think I have the ability to go against the world—and very possibly I would start to doubt myself. I know that, when I try to be confident and live up to myself, I do not believe that I have the strength and capability. As contradicting as it sounds, I am confident but at the same time distrust myself.
I am not a wavering person. Instead, I am considered stubborn and straight. I therefore believe that the most possible outcome of mine is death. And unlike Winston’s eventual vaporization, I think it is very likely that I would be “accidentally” killed during the torture… I would definitely stand up to those why try to manipulate me, and it is not necessarily planned. Due to survival, I would try to hold back my aggressive thoughts as much as I can, until one day I “explode”, pouring out all my discontents. In some cases I would notice manipulation before it is set and done, but usually not until situations are irresistible and cannot be saved.
I agree with you that it is hard to be yourself in front of other, especially ones with powers. But i believe that it is crucial to be yourself and force yourself, not others, to believe in you. And i also will stand up against the ones who try to manipulate me because they cant force me to be what i am not.
Although I would love to say that I would never sacrifice my beliefs for the sake of survival, I do not think I can make that declaration. When it comes down to it, I find that peer pressure and the want to blend in is an extremely strong emotion. Conformity comes in a lot of shapes and sizes; it could come from school, work, family, heritage, etc. In 1984, the only way to “live” is to completely immerse oneself into being devoted to Big Brother and the Party. Perhaps I could be able to hold out in quiet rebellion for some time, but if a character like O’Brien surfaces, it is quite difficult to maintain the revolt in ones heart. Especially if that character is someone you believed to be a fighter for the good and they end up as the opposite. It disillusions your perception of reality, making you even more susceptible to manipulation and mental bombardment.
Through my short lifespan of seventeen years, I have found that one of my main weaknesses is my insecurity. I constantly find myself depending on others to get things done or relying on the ones around me to get through life. I find it quite difficult to venture into the unknown by myself because I lack the confidence in my own ability to handle what hides in the dark abyss. If thrust into the world of 1984, this particular Achilles' heel would most likely be my downfall. It would make me more liable to manipulation, especially if an “O’Brien” character rolled around- someone that is knowledgeable and understanding. I would find myself depending on him and admiring him, much like Winston begins to do during the torture sessions in the Ministry of Love.
In the beginning yeah I guess Winston had people there for him but at the sane time he didn’t really think so. I believe that if I were in Winston’s shoes I would loose faith ad start believing in what the party keeps on tell me. If the party is always right (or at least seems almost right) why not believe them and go against what they say expectally when everyone else agrees or seems to follow them. After a while you start to doubt yourself and think back on what you think and realize that what you were thinking before might not have been right and you don’t know how you even can think that. If I were in Winston’s position I think I would have to react in a way that shows weakness. I would believe in what I believe of corse but when it acts like you’re the only one you will start to not believe in it anymore. You can see manipulation happening or you can be totally blind of it until a friend tells you about it or you realize it. It can work against you in a huge way. When you encounter a person like O’Brien you will have doubts and think of what may be right and you maybe wrong but in the end it all depends on yourself and if you believe just by faith or by detecting it by your senses.
I agree with you wholeheartedly in regards to the concept of being the last person with your beliefs. It's almost impossible to be bombarded with the idea that you are wrong, and still stand by those same beliefs. As humans, we have a natural instinct to follow the crowd. I think it may be a survival instinct like natural selection. Your brain starts to want to believe what the others believe because it can not take the stress and pressure of everyone around you trying to change and alter your ideas.
I agree with you that we have this instinct to follow the crowd but I think it depends more on what typoe of person you are. As humans, we also have this natural human instinct to be stubborn and assume that our belief system is better than another persons. I think it just depends more on what type of personality you have. Insecure or Stubborn?
If I were in Winston’s position, I might start to have psychological problem. Winston is really brave and intelligent because in that kind of the society, he can have he can develop his own thought and in some way rebel against the Party. People always think they won’t betray their faith no matter in what kind of situation, but we can’t promise because none of us have been in the situation Winston is at. I am not a person who is susceptible to manipulate. I have always stood up to those who try to manipulate me, but if I were in Winston’s situation, which there will be rats all over your face if you don’t surrender, I would make the same decision Winston made even though rat is not my greatest fear. No one is perfect. Everyone has a weakness, and it isn’t easy to overcome. To me, all I am trying to do is just to be myself than trying to fit in other’s shoes.
I won’t be like Winston who is still believed in O’ Brien after all the tortures he did. I can trust a person easily, but at the same time a person can lose my trust easily, so when I face with people like O’Brien, I will stop believing him and start hating him. I don’t think stop trusting a person I believed in is the same as losing my own belief. I would maintain my faith in myself as hard as I can. I don’t know what I will really do If I am facing something that I am scared of the most. I will keep fighting because I believe there is always a hope someway. Even I lose all the hopes, I still think there are more that I just haven’t met.
I agree with you that people think they won't betray their faith no matter what, but when they really have to face the situation, they won't be able to over their fear. Just like you, i will maintain my faith in myself as hard as i can, but i don't think i will have the strength to keep fighting it like you. Good for you that you have the motivation to fight for what you believe.
I also agree that it is impossible to really get a true answer from people. We will never really know what someone will do unless the3y have been put in that type of situation before. There will always be some sort of bias involved when asking different people that question.
If I am in Winston’s shoes, I would have done the same thing. I would choose to save my life instead of my beliefs. After all, you only have a chance to proof that your beliefs are right only if you are alive. If Winston were to face his greatest fear, rats, in order to hold on to his last belief and dies, no one would honor him for his braveness. So if I am in Winston’s position, I would react the same way he did.
I would try my best to stand up to those who try to manipulate me. But if I do not have a chance in winning, I would not live my life trying to do everything to go against it and waste my time. I will just remain quiet like I do understand what they are trying to say while inside me, I will just belief what I want to believe. I would not keep fighting the good fight if I know I have no hope of winning. I think there are other ways to show your beliefs instead of fighting.
If I were in Winston's position I would continue to believe what I think is true. I would not change what I believe is reality just because someone tells me that something is not true. I think IO would easily be able to stand up to those who are going against me. I come from a long line of stubborn and hard headed people so once I believe something I pretty much stick with it regardless of what other people tell me.
I am pretty noticeable towards manipulative people. I can usually tell when people are trying to get me to change my beliefs. For example, when people try to preach to me about politics I can usually tell that people are trying to change my beliefs and are trying to get me to question my beliefs. Most of the time I will stay to my beliefs but sometimes I do question my belief system if it is challenged enough. In order to "keep on fighting the good fight" it would depend on the type of situation for me. If I were in a situation such as Winston's, I would continue to fight on knowing that I will never truly be free under the rule of the party and try to get as much freedom as I possibly can and stay true to my beliefs.
If I were in Winston’s position I probably would have given in a lot sooner than he did just because I do not handle pain that well. I tend to be a little selfish person because when I am in a tough situation where I have to choose between myself and someone else I naturally choose myself. Especially, when I no that there is no hope for what I believe and with no hope there is no reason to keep it alive. I would also rather live than be in constant fear and paranoia of what beatings or unknown forms of torture may come next. If I have no concrete evidence that my thoughts are true I am easily persuaded by any convincing arguments. I am also not one to be radical and take on the whole world based on a gut feeling, because it is really hard to feel sane when no body believes you. If O’Brien was questioning me I would go crazy and give up and tell him whatever he wanted to hear to keep from being tortured.
I know that I am easily manipulated, but most of time I notice when I am being manipulated. At first I would stand up for what I believe, until I was given enough reason to believe otherwise. I think that I give up to my fears of what would be in room 101, because I do not know what my deepest fear would be. I would choose life over death every time, because I value that more than anything or any belief. I think it is pointless to stand up for a loss cause, because you would die for nothing and die without any recognition. I also tend to over think situations which then causes me to become confused and doubt my original beliefs I think I can be persuaded from any of my beliefs. So I know that I am not as strong as Winston and could not stand up to to the constant abuse that he goes through.
I gave a comment to Matt (before 11:59pm) but under the wrong box. I accidentally submitted it to one of Matt's response. It is #19.2.1.
I agree with Matt. It would be hard to with stand O'Brien and his torture. Matt makes a good point that there is no hope and if you had hope because of memories there is nothing supporting it so you start to doubt yourself. I would also give in to O'Brien because the pain would be unbearable and I would rather live than being beaten, tortured, and starved.
If I were in Winston's position, I would probably have done the same as he did. From an outside view, we know that O'Brien is not a pure character and has alternative motives. Because I am in Winston’s shoes, I wouldn’t have any of the knowledge we have while reading and analyzing each character and how they think. I would do the exact same thing Winston did. Because Winston knows what the government does and how they are corrupt and how everyone eventually becomes and unperson, someone that he thinks will support his bad deeds is someone really attractive. If you do something bad, you want someone to approve of your bad deeds that make you more secure to your crimes or sins.
I feel that I am very susceptible to manipulation. Like I said in my previous paragraph, people want others to approve of their sins or bad decisions. For me, I always feel bad about decisions I have made and I look for others to approve of what I do wrong. Even though I know deep inside it’s something I shouldn’t have done. Also when someone else does something that is unallowed, it makes me want to do that same thing, and be manipulated against what I know is right. This is when you differentiate between people with morals and self control and those that don’t.
First, i felt as you did, wanting to follow other's decisions because i also thought my decisions were wrong. However, when you express your decisions, you are telling people how you are feeling whether it is right or wrong. So i think it is important to be yourself and not try to follow other's decisions unless you agree with it.
And i agree with your idea of being in Winston's shoes because Winston is born in that society and does not know what is wrong and why and how he is being manipulated.
I think that most people do give into the pressures of society, because they just want to fit in or they fear being different. Being different means that you could e alone in your beliefs, but the feeling of being alone in the world is scary and can cause you to change your morals so that you fit in. As in Winston's case he does not know how to really fit in so i tries everything to get caught by the Thought Police, until he meets Julia making him not feel alone in the world. Without Julia he would have been vaporized a lot sooner, because he could not handle being alone.
I think we have a lot of similarities. I doubt that i could endure the pain if i was tortured. I think i would change my beliefs only to avoid the torturing. I am curious and wonder what Room 101 has for me but I would also be very afraid of it.
I tend to rely on other people when it comes to make a decision. One perfect example would be where to eat lunch. Most of my friends say that they don't care and make other people make decisions. Then if I just decide where to eat for them and if the place is really bad, they will blame on me, and I would feel really bad. So I agree with Alex that people want other people's approval in bad decisions or behavior.
If I were to be in Winston's position I would resist the Party's beliefs. I would risk my own life for my beliefs. There is no hope of living in a society like 1984 because the Party controls everything around you. You are eventually going to be caught doing something that is against the Party's rules. In 1984 the fat man gave the skull headed man food because he was starving. It was instinct to give someone food if they are hungry. It shows compassion for one another. I believe in doing the right thing and the Party can't tell me what is right and what is wrong. I would stand up for myself if someone were to tell me I was wrong. You can't manipulate someone into thinking that their belief is wrong.
I know when I am being manipulated, but I do get manipulated sometimes. I would argue back, but if someone were to give sufficient evidence that I was wrong then I would change my belief. I would "continue fighting the good fight" because it shows independence and a sort of freedom from the Party. My dignity is the only thing that the Party can't take away. If I met someone like O' Brien I would keep my faith because it is the only thing I have. I have to keep my beliefs strong so that I remain different from other people. I would live as long as I can protecting my beliefs even if I am to be tortured my entire life.
If I were in Winston’s position, as long as I feel comfortable and safe, I would just ignore and try not to change. However, when I feel my rights and freedom are violated, I would definitely resist. Also, if I find the forces that try to change and control me against the Party, I might first try to resist the forces, but eventually give up to that forces. And when I do, I will live with the proles in order to avoid the telescreens and definitely not follow the orders from the Inner/Outer Party, including O’Brien. In addition, when someone or the Party tries manipulate me, I would definitely resist because I hate being controlled by others and the forces that try to change me will not leave me alone to be manipulated by anyone else besides me.
When I am with my friends any family, I am susceptible to manipulate, but when I face strangers or new people, I try to maintain myself because they don’t know who I am and how I act or feel. So, in order to show people who I am, I should resist being manipulated. And I know when I am being manipulated because I can easily tell that this is not me. For example, when I first joined the track team, I was shy and did not do anything else but running and following the coaches’ order. But now, I do whatever I want and wander off. And I would definitely keep fighting for the good even if it has no chance of winning. Because when you keep fighting the good fight and lose, people might laugh at me , but I can tell myself that I fought righteously and have a faith in myself.
It's easy to say you'll try to ignore it and try not to change. But if you're going through all that pain, I don't think it's possible to ignore it. If I was given the choice to live like the proles, I would choose it over being part of the Outer or Inner Party. Also, it's a good thing that you have faith in yourself and would keep fighting even though there's no hope of winning. I wouldn't be able to do that.
If I were ever put in Winston's position I do not think I would be able to handle it as well as he did. As an observer it is easy to read about Winston and root for him, but in reality we aren't the ones being tortured to death. I would try to resist O'Brien and stand for what I believe in but it would be so difficult to do so. It's hard to imagine that I would be able to withstand all forces going against me just to cling onto a small thread of hope. I know some people would probably say that standing what they believe in would be enough just to get through the torture, but is that even realistic? Pain and suffering EVERYDAY and they still wouldn't cave in? I would love to stand for what I believe in but I just don't think its possible.
Facing people like O'Brien I still would have faith in what I believe in. It's one thing to believe what you're told but it's another to act like you believe what you're told. I believe you fight a good fight when you're happy with yourself. In the end do you feel proud of what you did? I'm not going to give up my morals and beliefs because an authority like O'Brien tells me to stop. There's a reason why I strongly believe and stick to my morals, and that's because I know what is right for me. Just like friendships, there will be ups and downs but at the end I want to end up strong with my closest friends knowing we made it through everything because we had faith and believed nothing would be impossible.
If I was being tortured, I wouldn't be able to stand for what I believe in either. I would like to stick to my beliefs, but if someone is trying to change me, I'll end up giving in. Winston sacrificed Julia to save himself. For me, I wouldn't sacrifice others for myself. I'll just give up and do what they tell me to do.
If I get tortured, I will be weakened as well. However, I would not start doubting myself. I believe if I doubt myself, I will loose my specialty and change into something I am not. I do not want to loose myself, so I would not change what I believe in. I may fake it somehow, but I will not change what I believe.
If I was in Winston’s position, I would react the same way as him. In the beginning, I would maintain faith in myself. I rarely change my way of thinking when I know I’m right. Although I listen to other people’s advice, I usually stick to my decision if I already know what I want and believe. However, when faced with people like O’Brien, I would crumble and surrender to my doubts and fear. I don’t have the courage to face my fears. I rather give up than to try overcoming them.
I wouldn’t be able to stand up to those who manipulate me because I am weak. I would notice that people are manipulating me, but I wouldn’t be able stop it from happening. If I knew I have no hope of winning, I will not keep fighting the good fight. I don’t think there’s a point of fighting when you know you can’t win. I don’t want to suffer and know in the end I still lost. I rather surrender because I don’t want to waste my effort on something that won’t work. Although Winston did give in to the Party in the end, I think I am weaker than him because I would’ve gave up long before they torture me with my biggest fear.
When I faced with people like O’Brien, I would not continue believing in my belief. I think that a belief can be changed based on experience and time, but the outside force would catalyze the variation in beliefs. Holding onto the belief might not produce a best result for people. Stay with the belief with painfulness might not be better than living optimistically with ignorance. For example, everyone ignore the reality in different levels, but not much of people would hold on the belief throughout the stretches. Peoples’ perspective toward everything changed when they undergoes a significant event in their life. The variation in the perspectives flipped the beliefs completely, but none of the people seem to understand the difference in beliefs from the past.
If I know that I have no hope of winning, I would stop trying to do anything. A “good fight” without hope could not produce a better result. More fighting means more frustrations. As people realize the hope has been demolished, the best way to protect them is to ignore or to change completely. Avoiding the mental destruction, people have to accept the situation instead of attempting to taste the painfulness of hoping. Stretching the length of life is meaningless if people struggle to survive. The faster people can accept the reality, the faster people can survive from frustration either mentally or physically. The results for both possibilities end at the same point, so why do people have to waste their energy to fight rather than to accept?
Even though all other people kept on telling me that I am crazy, I would not change what I think. I have my own philosophy and that is my way of living. I will not let anyone intercept me from walking my path. There are couple of my friends that think I am wrong. However, how many times they tell me that, I never changed what I have decided. I tend to follow my friends, but I never change my philosophy. I never change because that is how I express my individuality.
If someone tried to manipulate me by capturing my fear, I would freak out and get weakened. I will be weakened a lot. However, I will be weakened, but I will find the way to survive. That is how I live my life. I will find how to solve the problem and move on. All this time, I had many times I fell into huge pit with no light, but every time, I figured out what I have done and solved the problem to get out from the pit. This is how I live and I know that this will lead me to the better future.
If I was surrounded by people who tell me I am crazy, I would believe that I am really crazy. I wouldn't be able to keep insist that my opinion is true and others' are false. When I hear other people's opinions or views, I always consider about them and doubt my original opinions, if they are different from that of others'. So if all the people on the earth insist that I am crazy, I might believe that I am really crazy, even though I might not be crazy. In my mind, however, there would be a little resistance to those claims. But if it comes to the reality, I would choose to give up and follow the flow to survive in the society.
If it is too much for me to resist and endure the O'Brien's torture to make me accept a non-reality, I would just accept it. It's not just saying I am accepting it, but I would really believe it as a fact. However, if my strength is enough to endure the pain and resist the O'Brien's torture, I would keep resist until I am out of energy. If I have to die, then I would just give up and live. If you die, the world doesn't change much and everything is over, but if you live, you can change the world.
Im so sorry for being late...
Human beings are impressionable. Well, most of them are, and I sure know that I am. If everyone kept telling me that I was insane, then I would most likely begin to believe that I am really crazy. Even though I would form my opinions and my own doubts because I would personally believe my thought process is functioning properly, there is always the chance that not knowing one is insane is just a part of insanity. In the modern and real society, the chances of everyone around me telling me I'm insane is close to zero so it is not a problem to worry about; but in Winston's world, it would be a serious problem.
Manipulation is interesting in that, a lot of people who are manipulated probably do not know that they are under manipulation. I believe that if I was being manipulated, I would not realize until it is too late. Though I would consider myself a person with a strong mind, I could still possibly be tricked into believing things that are against my own original thought. If I was in Winston's position, I would slowly give in to the torture, just because I think I would give in to the torture, not being able to withstand the pain. I'm afraid of death; When it comes to that moment to decide life or death, I would rather do whatever it takes to live to see another day.
I think I am a person that can easily be manipulated because I am pretty gullible and cannot endure pain at all. If someone or a party were to force me to believe in one way of thinking, I would surrender and believe everything they say if they are the majority. Just like peer pressure, I think that once the majority of the people lean towards on way of beliefs or ideals then more people would join. I think that is why the party has so much power over everyone, they are dominate and rule with fear so everyone listens to the. I think I would be like the skull-faced man and surrender the moment they come for me. Even though I know that would be going against all my ideals, in reality I know it would be hard for me not to surrender to the party.
I think if I were to ever meet someone like O’Brien, I would attempt to stay strong on my beliefs but it is hard when your friend turns their back on you. I would questions O’Brien and try to find the friend I once saw in him. After a while of interrogation, I think I would be like Winston and surrender to my doubts and believe everything O’Brien tells me. After a close friend betrays you and forces you to believe their way, it is hard to pull through the punishment. Rather, people take the easier way out and believe what they are told. Once Winston surrenders he loses all hopes of ever believing in his ideals and becomes part of the party once more. Winston realizes that there is no way to escape the party and in the end he will love big brother.
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