Tuesday, November 6. 2007
Please share your feelings about the role of integrity, responsibility, and trust in a classroom. Do you have classes that are "high security"? Does it work? Do you have classes where cheating is rampant? How does that feel? Does it make a difference? Do you think cheating is common at AHS? Why or why not?
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People should have enough integrity to understand that cheating will only harm them in the long run. It is student's responsibility to fulfill their assignments and goals to their best of their abilities within moral constraints. Trust is a privilege given to us and not a right, and once trust is broken, it is hard to redeem it back in a classroom whether it is with teachers or peers.
Classes that tend to have high security usually alter the order of the test questions to prevent people from copying their neighbors (ie: AP Bio, AP Gov). Sometimes it works, but often there are loopholes that people use to get away with cheating if the desks are close enough to copy off those with the same version. There are classes with rampant cheating, which sometimes dulls the results of studying hard. I expect to study and receive a grade that mirrors my efforts, but it is unjust that others merely exploit the efforts of someone else to score the same if not higher. Cheating is common in all schools, not just AHS. I feel that we may view it as uncommon only because most people do not get caught.
Most classes revolve around a general field of trust between the teacher and students. Of course it is undeniable that there will always be students who cheat, and everyone can only try their best to prevent it, but I'm pretty sure that as long as grades matter, there will always be people cheating. It's rather cynical to think of things this way, but it's the truth. It's horrible to betray someone's trust...in my opinion, betrayal is the worst thing that you can ever do to anyone. I hate people who cheat, because they're betraying the teacher, and I know it hurts the teacher tremendously, because I had a teacher who even cried because people cheated on her tests. She always tried her hardest to let everyone pass her tests, and didn't give us any difficult problems on purpose to try to make us fail; she truly just wanted everyone to pass and be happy...and yet people still cheated on her tests. Although cheating during high school is not the worst kind of betrayal, it's still betrayal nonetheless, and therefore, people are hurt in that process, and I hate that.
Sherry asserts a very good point here. Ironically while grades do determine our level of knowledge and mastery of a certain subject, they also do increase incentives to cheat, to obtain such "grades."
Well first of all everyone has different beliefs on what Integrity, Responsibility and trust should relate too, especially in the classroom. Sometimes these three factors don't usually pop up into someones mind right before they cheat. Now I am not going to say that everyone cheats but it happens from times to time for various reasons but i don't feel that it questions or hinders ones integrity, responsibility or trust in other people. I personally don't have that big of a problem with people cheating in the classroom, because thats just how some people work as long as they are responsible for their actions. Based on the society we live we see cheating everywhere not just in the classroom so their shouldn't be anything to be alarmed about; and if people can get by in life with cheating by all means do so, but don't be surprised is someone decides to take action against you. I wont say that I am not bothered by the fact that now everyone including those who did not cheat must suffer, but it is the responsibility of the teacher to take action so that we can trust her integrity on fixing the problem. Plus your bound to see a select few cheat when their methods of doing so are just laid out in front of them.
Students must face consequences when they cheat and when the consequence affects the other students, that really makes me mad.
I have classes that are "high security." Last year, all the calculus ab classes were required to take every test at 7 am in the morning, to ensure that everyone got a fair opportunity (no rumors about what was on the test from period to period). This, I felt, was a VERY effective method, and although I hated waking up at 6:30 am every test day, I loved how no one was at a disadvantage/advantage. Additionally, my math teacher this year makes a new test every single year and allows us to keep our old tests. THis is also pretty effective.
Yes, I HAD classes in whch cheating was very rampant. I felt very angry and disadvantaged at times. I feel that period 1 is the worst period to be in for a class; we are always the guinea pigs and by period 6 everyone knows the questions, the answers, the FRQs.
Sometimes, cheating does make a difference. Although I should always compete with myself, it is completely unfair when others have an advantage and score higher thus ruining the curve (if there is one).
I think cheating is rampant at AHS due to the competitiveness and the wanting of good grades to go to a good college to get a good future.
In short, i think integrity, trust, and responsibility are very important in a classroom. The teacher trusts you to be responsible enough to study, to have integrity and even if you did not study, FAIL WITH DIGNITY.
I think it is completely unfair that two + students ruined the group-test (as well as the cheat sheets) for 150 other students, some of whom did not cheat.
Integrity, responsibility, and trust are the cornerstones of interactions between the teacher, student, and academic subjects; it is highly important that students and teachers have an open relationship in order to maximize one’s learning experience.
The AP Calculus classes are extremely high security, and perhaps extremely effective. New tests are created every year, and all students take the exams at the same moment to prevent any possible cheating among periods; every student is guaranteed an equal opportunity to perform well. The calculators are cleared by the teachers during the test (for any saved information) and the calculus teachers walk around to ensure that students do not reach in their backpacks, talk to their neighbors, or pass notes.
On the other hand, I’ve had a foreign language class (and many other classes) where the teacher is overly trusting and types at the computer rather than proctor the students; in such an environment, I have found countless students to share answers, and even ask me to cheat with them, although I have never—even to this day—sullied my hands with cheating.
Although students are good people, there is tremendous stress to perform well, and many students resort to cheating in order to do well—at least they think so. Personally, I have never engaged in cheating—even when I find myself completely unprepared for a test—and I have taken a few zeros—not just Fs—on tests because I didn’t prepare—and that is solely my fault, not the teachers. Being in a high-workload environment, I find that teachers are very flexible with their testing plans, and may often change the test dates to help students, and ensure that they are prepared, so that they won’t have to resort to cheating.
Overall, students who cheat aren’t necessarily bad. When one sees the opportunity to gain an advantage, it is easy to act on the advantage. Teachers, for the most part, need to lay down the law and ensure that students do not cheat by creating new tests and actively proctoring during the tests. It is inevitable that students will cheat, and teachers must act to enforce an equal opportunity for all students.
- Albert Sek
Last year I had Calculus BC, in that class, after we took the test, we were required to turn in our calculator so that we would not give out any question to students from other periods. This was a good way to prevent students from leaking questions out but also created problems for some students who have tests that require a calculator in the same day.
Classes where cheating is rampant is very common. I have classes like that but I do not think naming them out is a good idea. Cheating is so frequent and rampant in schools nowadays because students take test scores too seriously. Even in SATs, there are people cheating. It makes people who do not cheat feel unfair but we cannot do anything. Telling the teacher would make us considered cheap but not telling the teacher makes the tests unfair. It is ambivalent and I do not think we can find out a resolution for it. The more teachers inhibit it, the more active cheating becomes. The only thing students need to learn is self-respects.
No classroom ever has the "perfect" student. Everywhere you look there is always someone doing something to ruin integrity, responsibility, and trust. I used to have Chemistry with Kuso. SHE had high security. Even though there are classes with high security there would always be peope trying to up their grades so their parents don't chew their butts in the end. No I don't think the high security thing works. I feel the classes where cheating is rampant is the common thing of the world nowadays and I see it quite often. Any high school is common even at work, life, and love.
In an ideal world, integrity, responsibility and trust are upheld as the natural law; however, in the Real World, these values are sacrificed in order to get the good grade. Most classes are “high security” although test questions do manage to leak out from period to period. In some classes, special measures are taken to prevent cheating, but for the most part it isn’t really a problem. Cheating on tests is not a huge problem in most classes because teachers blackmail us with curves among all classes, preventing students from leaking questions to next period.
-Jarita Ta and Ellen Lu
Last year I had "high security" and people still managed to cheach and the teacher was just stressed and paranoid all the time (no fun). Cheating is not rampant but it does happen in some of my classes and it makes me angy, but there are always peopel that cheat so i have just accepte it. Yes, it makes a difference because test become harder and curves get higher and teachers become less trusting of their studients. Cheating is in almost evey class and will continue to be no matter how harsh teachers are. I feel that each person should be responsibil for their own actions and if they choose to cheat then that is on their conscience and becomes part of their character. So sad but too bad- they chose to cheat.
Integrity is about honesty you, and i believe that is is how much faith you put in yourself. Responsibility in a classroom, or school in general, is how much you care about your grades, etc. If you really didn't care about your future, you would not need to do homework, or take the easy way out, cheat. Trust in a classroom applies mostly to the teacher on the students in a classroom. Ms. Steven trusted us, and we took advantage of that, obviously. Its totally fair to me that she's not letting us use cheat sheets, or "review" sheets anymore, although it does not apply to everyone in the classroom. I don't think anyone would think that much about "integrity, responsibility, or trust" before they cheat, and that is why many people choose to do so.
"Karma's a @#$%@"
Cheaters will just have to face the consequences, and pull down the honest people as well.
After reading a couple of students replies to this thread i just began to wonder what it means to exactly cheat. Yes it makes others angry that people cheat but think about it....the papers of information directly from the book that are used during our tests are called "Cheat" Sheets and we are allowed to write whatever information the paper as long as it has to do with the information we are being tested on. So I do not completely fathom how you can draw the line for cheating when we are all cheating in the first place. If we where not allowed to have information during the test, then why give us the privilege to begin with, If anything it just made it an easier process. Is it right to set up a bait and trap for students like that? This topic really interests me so i just want to see what people think. -Rawad
hey. haha. i think it's one thing to be given that privilege of using a reference sheet and anothing thing to be ABUSING that privilege (taking last year's test word for word. I think it isn't actually about the cheat sheet thing, but actually the fact that people got a hold of last year's test is ...cheating. At least take that information and SUMMARIZE it, not copy ALL parts of it.
but yeah......that's just what i think. i'm kind of interested in this topic, too. where do you draw the line? and i agree, it IS a CHEAT sheet..
yeah it is interesting i just feel that maybe those who got caught shouldn't get punished due to the disillusioning properties of the so called "cheat sheet".
yea, i sorta agee...but the thing is.. some people had it DOUBLE SIDED (not single sided) WITH the exact questions and answers. typed even.
if it was single sided, none of this would've happened and no one would've gotten caught.
oh....wow are they stupid or what? Lol then they were just not following simple instructions that all students were aware of, so yeah i agree with you totally then.
i think it's cause they thought they could get away with it.
Well, Cheating isn't about getting the information during a test, for some people memorize information from the textbook---and that's considered learning.
Cheating is obtaining an unfair advantage over other students.
If Ms. Stevens were to hand out previous tests to all students, that would not be considered cheating.
Basically, "testing integrity" is about ensuring an equal opportunity for all students.
Why give us the privilege at all? Because Ms. Stevens was being nice to us! That's why! But apparently some people decided to take advantage of Ms. Steven's kindess and completely abused that privilege. And the line between cheating and not cheating? Well for this particular test, people copied the actual questions and answers from previous students onto their cheat sheets. I would assume that anyone with a brain would consider that as crossing the line between cheating and not cheating.
But to have cheat sheets your already setting up the platform, to have a paper out that looks like notes but really is questions to a test. How are you going to track down every single cheater? All that effort can go into something a lot more productive.
Integrity is the honor or honesty a person has and without integrity you cannot have responsibility because if you cannot be honest toward others how can you expect them to trust you back. And trust is needed in a class room. In my opinion there are two types of cheating those that ask someone about the homework because they don’t get the answer, and those that cheat on the tests. Test cheating is extremely low because it’s an evaluation of what you know and don’t know. If you bring a sheet with the answers to the test then the person cheating isnt the one taking it but rather the guy who wrote the answers out. Which isnt fair to everyone. What really gets me is that when people say that everyone cheats, but, I haven’t cheated on a test EVER nor will I EVER. I know I don’t just speak for myself when I say that but how dare you assume that everyone cheats when you cant possible know the thoughts and actions of every single person. Sure there may always be cheating in certain places, but don’t assume that just because some people do it that it’s ok and that everyone must cheat. Another thing is when people say that oh the teacher set this up for us and that she was just asking us to cheat. Honestly where in the world are you getting that it’s the teachers fault for giving the students an opportunity to learn and benefit themselves. It’s the students responsibility t be honest, not the teachers, the teacher didn’t make ANYONE do ANYTHING. Its unbelievable that people try to blame their own selfish attempts at cheating on the teacher! How old are you people?? 4? Pardon me if your against the cheat sheet and you didn’t actually cheat and I sound harsh. People aren’t condemned if they cheat but for themselves and others around, it would be much appreciated if they just take the grade they rightfully deserved. On the review notes in class there is a definite line of cheating. The teacher said to us, one side, hand written notes that you read from the chapter, that you think is important. Not the test answers that you got from someone who saw the test. Just because the answers may be in the book doesn’t mean that copying the real answer isn’t cheating. People study hard and do the notes and don’t get 100% on the test as opposed to those that just copy test answers. That’s your fine line and I dare you to tell me differently.
Although i don't like the harsh comments you made about my age, or if i had a brain, i really liked your points. Yes it is true that people cheated, we already covered that. But the main problem is what are we gonna do about it? just punish those who got caught and move on? I personally don't like the choice of action. The main questions is, " are all students being evaluated fairly?" and the answer is no because cheating becomes a choice once the tests are the same for every period and even since the previous year in this case it seems. I am glad that you have never cheated a day in your life, but the point is if were allowed to have notes that derived one way or another from the book then they are legitimate as long as we follow the set rules of one page, and information from the book we think is important. So still the line is vague, as you brought in your personal views on the topic. Morals and views of integrity vary just as ones idea of what is cheating or not. In the end the person with the better notes will gain an advantage over someone who either lost their page, or for some other reason. So do you really care about the whole unfair advantage and evaluations? Or is it about your personal views of what cheating is under circumstances where we are given a paper with information during a test.
just to clear something up i wasn't blaming the teacher, i was just stating something i realized while thinking about this whole thing.
I'm sorry about the age thing i was angry when i wrote it and i wasn't aiming it to destroy anyone, but i said nothing about peoples brains. You mentioned things about the notes and some peoples will be different depending on what people write on it. based on what they know or are unclear on and is with all tests. some people will do better than others because no two people are the same and think the same way. I'm sorry but when you said the teacher opened the opportunity to cheat sounded like it was her fault for the students cheating to me. There are many opportunities in life to cheat regardless of notes. Notes aren't what the issue is, the actually issue is cheating. Are you telling me thats it's ok to have the awnser key infront of you for a test? is that not what cheating has always been? Is that a personal belief that having the awnser key infront of someone during a test is cheating? Please dont tell me it's about the notes because it's not.the notes don't make people cheat people are in control of what they do. If it was about the line of cheating and who draws it. and If the teacher isnt the one who draws the line but rather the student. Then only those who have access the the test awnsers would do really well and And as far as loosing notes and such go. i have lost my notes before and i have no one to blame but my self for that it's a persons responsibility to bring it and to write it. It's not the teacher or anyones fault. And please don't tell me if i do or do not care about equality because if you say everyone should have the same notes to promote fairness while at the same time saying those who have the test awnsers in front of them aren't cheating. That would mean everyone have the awnsers infront of them. Thus defeating the whole point of a test. the notes were a previllage not a requirement but cheating on a "cheat" sheet is kinda sad...if you consider is cheating of course. But i do understand the fact of not being able to catch those who cheat so only some get punished while others get away free. So i think we should have a different test so there is no possibility of people getting the actual questions to cheat.
rawad-- you're dominating this blog. haha. it seems like you've read through most everyone's post. it's not a bad thing though. i agree with most of your points!
ahah i just love stuff like this, its hard to capture the essence of a true debate, and this is something people strongly about, so i have to take advantage of what i like to do, and getting an important point out. well at least i think its important others aren't forced to agree with me.
Please share your feelings about the role of integrity, responsibility, and trust in a classroom. Do you have classes that are "high security"? Does it work? Do you have classes where cheating is rampant? How does that feel? Does it make a difference? Do you think cheating is common at AHS? Why or why not?
these three characteristics are interconnected and essentially MAKE the person. Responsibility is showing ownership of one's actions and subsequently the willingness to accept the consequences. Making decisions, resposnible ones, plays a part in one's integrity. Integrity is one's sense of morality, one's conscience. To display this in the class room is showing responsibility. These two combined offers the teacher a level of trust. Evidently a teacher would be more aware of a student with low integrity and no responsibility.
most of my ap classes are very strict when it comes to cheating. They do every thing possible to avoid such actions. In other classes, however, cheating is rampant and hardly ever discovered. Cheating is common in every high school. not just arcadia. It's simply human nature. we will do anything to get what we want. even if it pinches at our morals.
Please share your feelings about the role of integrity, responsibility, and trust in a classroom. Do you have classes that are "high security"? Does it work? Do you have classes where cheating is rampant? How does that feel? Does it make a difference? Do you think cheating is common at AHS? Why or why not?
i believe what ms. stevens said in class is true, that people who cheat only find themselves with very low integrity. even though some people may not think it's a big deal right then and there after they take the test, they will eventually realize how wrong it was and regret it. one of the greatest virtues is integrity , and without it there's not much else to compliment yourself with. responsibility is also a big thing. people should be responsible for their actions and know that cheating will harm more than it will benefit them. I know ms. stevens doesnt have much trust in her students anymore, and i would understand why. she came into the school year believing that we're a trustworthy bunch of kids, but apparently this week shows that the trust has been shattered. its sad to find out that all the students have to suffer for the cheat sheet incident and it sucks but i guess we'll just have to get through it anyways.
AP Calc has high security. THe teachers have students take the tests at 7 am so no one can cheat in that one hour together. I would say it works, but its not the greatest time to take the test for me because i would like to stay in bed at around 7 instead of taking a test my brain can't function well for. I've had classes where cheating was rampant but i feel like it's not my business to tattle on others so i dont make it a big deal. I think cheating is common in AHS because everyone's competing for the best grade. i just wish grades weren't as big a deal as they are, but i can't change that. so for me, the best thing to do is just try my best, nothing more.
Being the guinea pig period for a class is difficult. They are always the first ones to sample a hard test, while the later periods reap the benefits of receiving answers beforehand. Whereas some teachers put the time and effort in creating different tests for each period, others are unwilling to spend their time on such a feat. Ideally, teachers should maintain a certain amount of fairness for earlier classes by creating separate tests, but sometimes, that is not feasible. In that case, teachers automatically enact the honor system to tests their students' integrity and responsibility. I believe teachers are somewhat at fault here, for leaving such an open medium for the communication of answers, but ultimately, I think it is the student's choice to make, whether to uphold their honor. I've had teachers who passively allowed the sharing of answers in between periods, only punishing those who made their cheating obvious. In such cases, cheating is rampant and teachers have no way of actively resolving the matter. However, there are more systematic approaches to test-taking (different versions of the test, separation of tables, etc...) and even then, students often get away with cheating. Though the act of cheating reflects corrupted morals of society, it has become so common that most people fail to see it as a corruption of morals and degradation of character.
I feel that the role of integrity, responsibility and trust in a classroom is very significant because it would show that the students are mature enough to show moral principles and are able to be trusted. Some of my classes are very strict about "cheating" while other teachers are not that strict about it. I think that "strict security" causes more tension on the student and they worry so much that they cheat without noticing. I do have one class that is very strict on cheating, any little signs of cheating is not tolerated. Sometimes when my legs are itchy, I try to resist scratching them because my teacher might think i'm "cheating" in some secretive way. I feel like i'm suffocating because teachers may misinterpret students actions during tests and assume they are cheating. I do believe that cheating at AHS is common among the students that never study for tests. I think it depends on the situation that makes students want to cheat.
Integrity, responsibility, and trust are essential not only in the classroom, but in everyday life as well. In the long run, those who do not have integrity will inevitably find themselves regretting their cheating ways. And with integrity and responsibility comes trust. Once someone does something untrustworthy and dishonest, that person must work much harder to regain it. I have had classes with "high security," and they were not fun. But I can definitely understand why teachers are hesitant to give students more freedom regarding tests, and, in fact, the high security method does work. I have had classes with a lot of cheating, and I have always felt violated--my efforts cheatened. I think cheating is common everywhere, not just AHS. We are all human beings, and in such a competitive school as AHS, I can understand why students might crack under the pressure to maintain high grades.
To start, I have to tell you, it is NOT easy having integrity, responsibility, and trust all together in a classroom. To have integrity, you don't have to be perfect. You just need to know what you're doing, before you do it. Reason it out, and see if your action would be morally right. To have responsbility, you should take claim for whatever you have done. I was watched Brothers & Sisters recently (Great show, by the by), and Nora Walker, the mom of the family would always blame everyone else for something bad that happened, and she never claimed to be responsbile for anything. At the end, it tells us that no matter what happens, you would always have something to do with the situation, and therefore should take responsibilty for it. This ties back to integrity. Last, but not least, trust. The teacher trusted the class from the getgo, and you should not take that for granted. Like someone above said, it's a privilege, not a right. Once that trust is lost, the teacher would get so paranoid, that it not only drives the teacher nuts, but the students as well.
To answer your questions, I have a lot of classes that are in "high security". And trust me, it is NOT fun. My english and math class is crazier than going on an airplane. And I do believe it works on some levels.
When we first started, my teacher gave us a 30 minute lecture on cheating. It was one of the scariest speeches i've ever heard (worse than Jonathan Edwards: Sinners speech). With that said, I think she scared people into not cheating on any of her quizzes or test. She would also get paranoid and make us use folders as a wall to block our answers. It is highly uncomfortable.
For my APCALC class, we have to ge to school by 7:00 and take a test all at one time. (This is the one that is worse than going on an airplane). We would have 10 million different versions all around the room. The teacher would be walking around like the security guard from the library, and everything would be so intense. It would be immensely hard to cheat in that kind of environment(al science).
I do not really care for people who cheat or who don't cheat. Unless it affects the whole class. Let met tell all cheaters something: If you're going to cheat, at least be smart about it. What happened to our APES class made me furious, because it affected the WHOLE APES classes.
And yes, cheating is highly common in AHS. Not only in AHS, but in all schools. Even college! My aunt once told me how she cheated in her physics class in college. (She did the same thing the people did in APES, copied the answers and everything). Cheating is world-wide, and no one can do anything to stop it.
Okay I'm talking too much. Back to studying!
Integrity to me is like honesty. Reponsibility is do the right thing and what your suppose to do. Trust is whats there between the students and the teacher. And now after this incidence the trust has been broken. Everyone gets effected just because a few people made the wrong decision to cheat. So I don't think that is fair.
I wouldn't say my classes are high security but just moderate. And it works fine. Because i believe students know the consequences of cheating but some still takes risks anyway. So it really is based on the students themselves to do the right thing.
Teachers trust their students to not cheat and to just try their best but lets be realistic; cheating is still going to happen no matter what because grades matter (especially in such a competitive school like arcadia). even under "high security" students still find ways to cheat and i'm fine with it because its not like i'm the one doing it so if they get caught, thats their problem. integrity really doesnt come to mind when people cheat, some people just dont feel bad and thats their problem. i'm sure it'd be better for me to go on about how morals are important and everybody should have integrity and take responsibility for their actions but stuff like this just happens! and we're only human--we're not perfect, we're not saints, we make mistakes. people are never going to be fully honest all the time. but if they get caught or whatever, then they should take responsibility for it. they accepted being caught as a possibility the second they cheated so let them face the consequences.
I think that the role of responsibility, trust, and integrity really shows what kind of a person you are. I was sitting in class today listening to Mrs. Stevens talking about this, and just thinking to myself....."WE HAVE TO PAY WHAT THEY DID!?" It angered me. It really did. I think people should realize that yeah, it's fun when you have all the answers in front of you, but you know, it hurts you in the long run. IT'S THE STUDENT'S responsibility to finish their work or their studying. Making excuses of " oh my dog died" or whatever are merely excuses. You have to fulfill your responsibilities. I do have classes that are "high security" and no classes where cheating is rampant. In fact all my classes are like that. You can't really stop the cheating. It just happens. Students find new and creative ways to do it. I do think cheating is common here at AHS. However, I can understand why cheating can be so common in competitive schools like ours.
okay hmm...now i'm just thinking about how long and hard this midterm is going to be....AHHHHH!
It is not always easy for teachers to uphold a high sense of integrity, responsibility, and trust in their classrooms, especially in high school. Students should understand that cheating is NEVER acceptable and they should take responsibility for their own actions. In the end, what comes around, goes around. Maybe you'll score high on this test, or even the next couple tests, but it will ultimately come back to hurt you later in life. Cheating is contagious and like a disease. Once somebody sees how well you've done by cheating, he or she will start cheating, and so on. But if everybody started cheating and taking the easy way out, society would crumble beneath our very feet. Integrity, responsibility, trust... These are all the foundations of strong, long-lasting relationships and communities. How can our classroom function in a healthy manner if everybody is cheating and undermining the teacher's authority. It just isn't right...
Teachers that find cheating a problem in their classes usually tighten up security. This is probably why all the Calculus AB teachers schedule their tests at 7 AM in the morning for all their students and pass out different versions of the same test. They forbid cheating and strictly enforce their rules. It makes a huge difference, as just having to take a test under these strict conditions is enough to make the students forget about ever cheating on a Calculus test. I don't think anybody has even tried...
I believe that even though teachers may not always be aware it, cheating is fairly common at AHS. But then again, that depends on your definition of "cheating." Does copying homework count? What about asking someone who has had the class already what is on the test? To the students, it's hard to say whether or not cheating is common here. I'd like to think it isn't, but we all know it is. People cheat all the time, not just at AHS, but everywhere. It could be at work, in college, or even at home. Maybe this is going overboard, but the bottom line is that cheating is a serious offense that will ultimately harm you. I mean, why not just study now, score high on all the tests, and then ace the final instead of going through the trouble of cheating and risk getting caught? But then again, this is just one student's opinion.
I think it is very hard to have integrity, trust, AND high responsibility in a classroom. I think it takes a lot more than most students take granted for, for a teacher to actually trust their students. Honestly, throughout the four years I have been at this school, I can not say I know a teacher who completely trusts their students. Most of the teachers have some kind of strategy, scheme, or furtive way of trying to catch their kids cheating; right from the get-go they are assuming their students are going to cheat. Others, those most kids like, know their kids are cheating but rather act ignorantly towards the situation because they do not want to deal with the situation and all the paper work. Maybe they want to win teacher of the year and let it slide. The security level all depends on the teachers.
I think it is very hard these days for kids to have the integrity most teachers, parents or some type of higher authority expect them to have. I think we should all have some self-respect and some support in ourselves to not cheat, but there is so much pressure to do good in such a competitive atmosphere, most people do not know what to do and feel as if they have to stoop so low. It does not necessarily excuse their action, but it definitely explains why they did what they did. It's not surprising even when the most brilliant students must turn to cheating.
I most definitely feel that cheating is most common at AHS. Like I said before, the atmosphere is so competitive, everyone wants to be the best. Everyone is already stressed with all the workload and they think that if an opportunity to do good without having to work as hard and being able to focus more on the other tests they have the same day, they'll probably take that opportunity.
I've heard so many stories of kids cheating and from that, they were able to make it farther in life than those who don't. Honestly, it would be quite hypocritical of me to say I object it; I've written a few formulas on the palm of my hands the day before a big exam, smudged it off before I handed in my test erasing all evidence. However, what I can confidently say I do object to without feeling one sense of hypocrisy is that people are stupid enough to get caught and cause others to suffer their negative consequences. Though I understand the stress the people who cheated must have felt, it caused all periods the privilege of group tests and cheat sheets.
We cannot expect that every single person has the same level of integrity, responsibility and trusts that should be placed in a classroom. People have different priorities and these priorities result in the discomfort of others, such as not being able to use the cheat sheet in a test that covers about 2 months worth of informations.
Cheating will never go away, whether in school or in life, and little can be really done about it. But what can happen is a new high security method to be implemented for the tests. One thing we can do is everyone turning in their cheat sheet one week before the actual test, that way, Ms. Stevens can check whether the "review" sheet have cheating informations and also prevent people from adding to their own cheat sheet after asking the earlier periods about what the test is going to be about.
The obscurity of the difference to have the oppurtunity to have helpful information to use on the test, or to be cheating is completely non-existent. Therefore, Rawad's argument that it is nonsensical to allow us cheat sheets on the test but not allow us to directly see test questions and their answers is completely illogical. Obviously, there is a huge difference between an aid which is happened to be called a "cheat sheet", and an actual piece of paper with the answers on them, thus relieving the cheater of any obligation to make any type of cognative thinking other than matching answer with question.
Cheating is expected of students in my mind. Although our perfect image of the world is hardworking, legitimate students who love to study and love to learn, this is not the case. Personally, I study martial arts, study guitar, work to pay for the gas that transports me to school, and I finally get home at 9 o'clock each night. Hoooorrrayyy! Now I have the wonderful oppurtunity to study!!! I completely love staying up late to learn about how I can find epsilon or how scientists label a lake. Quite honestly, I'm just questioning how someone could not understand why students would cheat. I personally don't involve myself in such activities, but damn, it looks like it would make me happier than I am.
Just being honest.
Well yeah i understand daniels point but in the end the information that is on our "cheat sheets" comes from the book, and since the questions to the test come from the book, we pretty much have the answers to the test on our sheets. Is it an unfair advantage that some students can write smaller and fit more? or maybe having small hand writing is cheating also? the point is that we were given a paper to put whatever information we wanted to, who cares where the information came from as long as its relevant to the chapter. I just saying that its weird to have cheat sheets allowed for a test and then punish those who got their information from different sources, they were just using the best sources around them, just like Ms.Stevens said we should do as long we don't deplete the resources in question...but thats getting into a whole new topic.
I am loving this dialogue. I want to clarify something Rawad. I understand your attitude about the "cheat" sheets. I'm quite clear that those who wrote last years test questions and answers knew they were doing something that wasn't allowed. I don't let tests out of my room. You all know that. I never have. Anyone who would take a test out of my room consciously violated my rules. Anyone using those tests had to have known that it was an unfair advantage.
I think is a completely different thing to be given an opportunity to review material and write down what you have reviewed vs. writing down 35 statements word for word from a stolen copy of a test.
Integrity is when a person being honest to everyone. Responsibility in a classroom is when every student knows what they’re doing while in class and do their own tasks. Trust in a classroom is when student and teacher don’t have distance between their conversations and won’t felt uncomfortable while discussing questions. Yes, my last year’s English teacher will check everyone’s sleeves before we took our tests. And some of my classes have happened that cheating is rampant, sometimes it felts kind of weird because the teachers seems like they don’t care that much unless the student really cheat in front of them. It makes a difference in learning because after cheating people tend to learn less. Cheating is common in AHS because some students are not responsible for their action, they are not mature enough.
Well, integrity, responsibility, and trust are the characteristics that make a person. One should know that there will be SERIOUS consequences in violating the rules and policies especially during a test. Cheating is VERY common in ALL highschools but I think it's not as pinpointed here @ AHS..however, I like others am angered that this incident will affect those that did NOT cheat!..but this just comes to show that eventually when cheating one will get caught!..Classes with "high security" sometimes work but then it just gives more ideas to kids. There is really no way to prevent cheating from happening.
I agree with what everyone else is saying. Cheating is dishonest, and the those who cheat to get ahead will only suffer in the long. Even if cheaters are successful, they have to live with serious guilt, and I do not believe that they can ever be happy with themselves. To all the cheaters: cheating affects the whole class. When you cheat, the teacher has no way of assessing the knowledge of his/her students. Because of few students succeed, while several students fail, the teacher assumes that she is teaching effectively, when in reality, he/she needs to adjust the scale.
Personally, i think that cheating is going to happen no matter where you are. even if there is "high security" students will find a way somehow to get around it because they're willing to do whatever it takes to get that grade. I also think that its unfair that we all suffer the consequences just because a group of people got caught. if anything, punish them. if they were dumb enough to cheat and get caught then they should suffer the consequences alone.
I don't think just punishing them is the answer...especially under these circumstances
Rawad, you are bringing up some great points here and I really appreciate your willingness to state your opinion and stir the pot. I think you might have misconstrued my instructions and my intention about using resources. Please talk to me tomorrow as I want you to be clear what I said and what I meant!
A lot of kids feel tempted to cheat once in a while, but most refuse to give in and do the work instead. Some kids cheat once and feel so awful that they never do it again. Others get caught and realize it isn't worth it. Unfortunately, most cheaters get caught and if people are willing to cheat than they have to be willing to take the consequences. I think that accepting responsibility is acknowledging the fact that you are solely accountable for the choices in your life. It’s an acceptance that you cannot blame others for the choices you have made. Even though everyone knows that cheating is wrong, it is inevitable to not cheat in AHS when so many people get away with it.
I would understand if Ms. Stevens never trusted us again. It’s so disappointing, but “trust” is so hard to gain and so easy to lose. Everyone makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect. I think everyone deserves a second chance. Giving someone a second chance will support his or her effort to make a change for the good.
In calcAB students have to wake up at 7a.m in the morning to take a test, a procedure I think is the fairest thing a teacher can do. Cheating is common in AHS and if people had the chance, I wouldn’t blame them to be tempted to cheat. Cheaters cheat themselves and in the long run it will come haunt them. Even knowing this information people will still do it. Honestly, there is no way to stop people from cheating.
I am taking AP Calc AB right now, and during test days we come at 7am in the morning to take the test, we get to keep the tests because the teachers re-write one every year. there is no cheating by knowing questions beforehand, however i don't think this will stop the people who do cheet, as long as there are people planing to cheat, secure systems are not very useful.cheating helps the grades on a short term basis, but people eventually have to learn the material, and through writing the "cheat sheet" we got for test, and the question set, i realized the things i needed to study more and the the things i completely understood, i think without a cheat sheet many people's grades will drop dramaticly because we do learn it when we write it, and it's just there to remind us of small details we might forget. i don't konw if a lot of people in AHS cheat, but it's impossible to say there is a school where no one cheats.
If we truly did learn it when we wrote it then we wouldn't need cheat sheets to begin with. Or maybe we should just have better review methods initiated by the teacher.
Integrity, responsibility and trust are three important factors that everybody should keep in mind because it pretty much determines what kind of person one is. Calculus AB was the first class in which the tests were given to ALL students at the same time. This was definitely a "high-security" class. It is harder to cheat this way, but still people always think of a way. If you're going to use the energy to come up with a plan to cheat, why not use that time to study the material instead? But then, on the other hand, we shouldn't blame the people who cheated, because they were merely unlucky people who were caught. We all know that everybody has, in one point of their life, cheated. We all know why they would do such thing and we all know how they feel. Humans are selfish living beings, they will do anything to get what they want. Even if this means risking the chance of being caught. We just need to somehow control ourselves and be responsible for what we really decide to do. Wherever we go, cheating will take place, it's just something so common that everybody is willing to lower themselves to do.
I support how you explained that everyone cheated probably have cheated at least once in their lives. As for those who were caught cheating, some weren't caught and it would be unfair to punish only some of the guilty. As for punishing everyone, it would end up with punishing the innocent too. It's a really difficult matter to manage.
I did have a couple of "high security" classes last year (for example, AP Calc AB/APUSH) and I believe that yes, it does work. Many people have already said how the AP Calc tests were given at the same time in order to prevent cheating. I thought this worked rather well, and gave everyone equal advantage to take the test. The teachers continue to make new tests every year (and three different forms as well!), so current students would not be able to 'cheat' by getting the same test from previous students. In fact, my calc teacher even gave us the previous year's test as a study guide, so we'd know what to expect on the test! This was extremely helpful, and gave each and every student the same opportunity to do well on the test.
Honestly, I do not think there is any way to prevent cheating. Many students will be tempted to do so, no matter if they have the excuse of being 'overloaded with other work' or not. Instead of punishing everyone by not letting us use the 'cheatsheets', why not just make new tests? Just wondering
Many people mentioned how the AP CALC AB classes would have tests at the same exact time in order to prevent cheating.
I think the idea of making new tests is a perfect way to avoid this problem, curing the cheating problem should be a mutual based process involving both the students and the teacher. Ultimately testing the integrity and responsibility of both.
Wouldn't it be great if each person was able to play the role of a student who would " fail with dignity " and have integrity, responsibility and trust in a class room? In this school particularly, most people cant even bare to look at a community college. We have to compare ourselves with the person next to us who aces every test and has no intentions of going to a college with a lower rank than UCLA. We are in a competitive environment where failing is set as:
" NOT AN OPTION."
I agree. Cheating is shameful, shows corruption and whatever you 1st people mentioned, BUT a classroom with every student holding high responsibility and living up to the moral standards - impossible. Many mentioned AP CALC's high security. I don't know for a fact...but I'm sure there are those who would peak over and see if anything matches. People here are always trying to beat the system. It doesn't matter what the teachers do.
I don't mind not having review/cheat sheets. She could remake the test for every period, have a different version / a diff. test for every period. The bottom line is there will be cheaters because of the desperation and competition that exists here.
Im not gonna even state how " sickening" or "mad" that makes me feel. It exists. The fact that grades are on the line interferes with a person's entire view on staying honest and responsible. AGAIN, "grades on the line" in this society might as well be rephrased as soon to be failure.
i believe cheating occurs very frequently not only at AHS but also in other schools. Most classrooms doesn't have high sercuirty on test. but i think Mr. Mejer's does a good job on preventing cheating and the calc AB tests.people just need to realize that its wrong to cheat. cheating is something common that everyone does once in their life. we can use examples of cheating to educate people or to warn them by punishing the cheaters who got caught
AHS is in nodoubt, a low standard high school. With students taking well over 3APs each year, cheating is inevitable. I'm not saying ALL students cheat nor am I saying students who do cheat, cheat all the time. But just like everyone have their bad day or week, sometimes, people do get overwhelmed by the workload they reserve to cheating.
Cheating is not an honorable thing nor is it a righteous thing to do. And I'm sure for those who do or did cheat, there IS a sense of guilt. But everyone makes mistakes in their lives and with such an overwhelming schedule and sat's and apps due, it is very tempting to cheat.
Trust, integrity and responsibility are very important characteristics. In order to gain someone's trust, it takes time and work to build up. However, losing someone's trust can occur in a matter of seconds. But like I mentioned, everyone deserves a second chance, just as long as they're willing to pay the consequences for it and truly admit to fault.
I also do not believe in high security. If someone wants to cheat, and their mind is set upon cheating, there is no way you can stop it. Just as if you hired the most professional security team to guard the most expensive and precious stone in the world, there are plenty of ways to get away with it. The only concern is if they're willing to find those ways.
Cheating is common everywhere. But I'd like to say that cheating is less common at AHS than it is elsewhere. Just because we have higher standards. But we are human and humans are not perfect. We weren't even designed to be so.
Cheating is common in this school. Students in this school generally care a lot about their grades and when they feel unprepared, students choose to find ways that will help them at the moment. The Calc AB tests were considered high security because everyone took tests at the exact same time, but cheating was not prevented entirely even for those tests. Students who feel they have learned what they need to learn and read what they need to read do not cheat because they are prepared. Teachers that curve tests really do help prevent cheating.
I repeat Rawad’s question on how the line is drawn between cheating and not cheating. We are allowed to search for information that will help us take the test, and the information can come from textbooks and other sources, such as prep books; students are even allowed to take other people’s texts from internets but forbidden to take notes from people they know. Those that memorize answers are not considered cheating. Others that add on to their notes after finding out the questions from previous periods are not considered cheating. And those that don’t even bother to write their own notes but use others’ are not considered cheating. I do feel shame for not being responsible enough, but at the same time, I feel shame for those who criticize the very actions they have committed.
I really like the point you made at the end, because there wasn't any real way to determine what is actually cheating or not since instructions on what could be put on the cheat sheet were not concise and since everyone has a different view on integrity and morals, then different things could have ended up on those "cheat" sheets.
i agree with josephine... "I feel shame for those who criticize the very actions they have committed"
What exactly constitutes cheating? And again, where is the line drawn?!
However, i don't think there is any way to stop cheating. I guess, writing a dif. test for each period would work, but that would be a lot of work for Stevens.
But if we as students are putting in hours per day to study for two chapter tests, then our teacher should match that by making a fair testing system where the teacher puts time to make separate tests to get a better score ratio. Even group tests to begin with are completely biased no matter how you pair up the groups, smarts with smarts, or under achievers with under achievers cause your gonna end up with a bad score ratio. If you match them in mixed groups, your gonna have only one person doing all of the work.
I agree that since we put in hours of studying, she should put in hours of making the tests.
However, sorry, but i don't really agree with your comment about the groups (pairing smart with smart, underachievers with underachievers). Haha. I think the group thing would be fair in a way because everyone is paired with someone equal to their level. In other words, if they were to take it individually, they would probably more or less get about the same score.
Also, why should there be a "good" score ratio. If the whole class got A's, woudln't that mean that the class is too easy (or that everyone is really hardworking)? In a class, there is bound to be some good and "bad" grades.
just some food for thought... (:
Yes i see your point, but a teacher should care about the score ratio, if she cares about the fact that students are being prepared properly and being tested fairly. And if i didn't prepare for the the midterm and i was paired up with someone who was, I am just getting the spoils of his efforts. Concluding that group tests to begin with is not a fair form of evaluation, if the teacher truly did care for fair evaluations.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm. good point. however, usually if an A student is paired with an A student, that means they both have the drive to study and so forth.
But yeah. i can see how group tests are not a good, adequate relfection of an individual's abilities.
It is quite common to cheat in Arcadia though we have a strict cheating policy, the double zero and dropped from honors or AP. Though we know the consequences we still cheat, we still try to circumvent the situation like in the case of the test this week. I think that we have taken advantage of these cheat sheets.
i think part of the problem is not a a strict cheating policy. if people cheat and get away with it, they wont stop untill they get caught and whats the point then. Pople only cheat becuase they want the grade and they dont really care about learning the material and taking it seriously.
I think we student should be appreciative to Mrs. Stevens' trust and not disappoint her. But some of us have done wrong things, against our integrities, responsibilities, and trusts. I don't have any classes
where cheating is rampant and I never thought cheating is or can be allowed at any school or in life because cheating not only makes students recieve good grades but also distract us from actually trying.
i feel like we really messed up and took advantage of ms.stevens and it was unfair for her to trust us. cheating never got anyone anywhere and i think we should all buckle down and start to really make an effort to keep the trust between student and teacher so that we can have privleges in her class that she knows we will use to really learn the material.
most of the people have said what i feel so it no longer needs to be repeated. But one thing i think might be of value to this blog is that it seems to me in elective classes such as photography, videoproduction, graphics, etc. cheating is much more common because for some reason those teachers don't seem to care as much.
In lieu of recent events that spurred this discussion, if we evaluate the workings of our lifestyles, we must admit that we tread questionable grounds. In such a competitive environment, students are tempered to exploit resources to the greatest advantage possible, and sometimes, the line between what should be done and what can be done is blurred. We thrive on any and all advantages presented to us. Whether the end justifies the means is left up to the judgment of the individual. “High security” or not, cheating will occur; people will find ways, with or without cheat sheets.
With that being said: hardworking people will prosper anyway – they do not require illegitimate methods to attain success. Those who rely in illegitimacy must continuously seek illicit means to take another step forward. This invariable handicap pulls people to dead-ends. I’d sooner take a C on a test than cheat and demote myself with a handicap. The level at which we choose to perform reflects not only truer potential, but also personal aspirations to flourish.
Amongst this sea of posts, I submit my humble response with no intent of reiterating platitudes, but to verbalize the transience of immutable definitions of “integrity.” An ounce of guilt does not fester like a boil, and immoral specks on integrity do fade in due time. Cheating that occurs by happenstance does not deem punishment. Exposure to the trickle-down effect does not render cheaters. There are some things that occur according to the natural order of environments. What we establish as integrity today will inevitably mutate in our minds to facilitate circumstances. What we instill as morals today will inevitably evolve with our lives. However, the level of self-dignity we hold ourselves with dictates whether we choose to take advantage of another person’s considerate graciousness at the risk of betraying the trust they honor us with.
Aiites sunil...i started off reading your:
"In lieu of recent events that spurred this discussion..."
and i was like
you are krazy
Looking through the previous comments, we’ve realized that some are WAY hypocritical. Please, this blog is about your honest opinions—not B.S. There are some comments (few, thankfully) that criticizes cheaters. And, SURPRISINGLY, some of the people who wrote it are cheaters themselves. How do we know? We’re both from first period, and come on, you guys did ask us about the test questions, haven’t you? So please, stop being hypocritical because reading all these posts that are bashing cheaters are really discouraging. You should have the integrity to know not to tell lies saying, “Ooh, I’ve NEVER cheated” when everyone else reading your comment is busy scoffing at it. Do not make up stuff you KNOW our teacher would like to hear. She wants our trust—that includes honesty.
-Athena & Yurika
Is that what's going on?
People are flat out claiming they havent cheated AND put own the cheaters BUT THEY are cheaters themselves?
has this become a suck up blog ?
aha aha AMEN to that Athena and Erika. I really liked what you guys said its really down to earth and its the truth, but personally i think everyone cheated to begin with because we were given cheat sheets that had information the test...and that is pretty much cheating,so yeah no hard feeling to those who got caught, because in a wider perspective everyone was cheating, if you take into consideration that the test was based grading our knowledge on the subject not on what period we are in or how much answers we can get from people who took the test already.
Well, to most people, saying something is easier than actually doing it.
Thanks for bringing some authenticity here! I'm clear it's time to have different versions of tests for am and pm and especially different frqs! This is the first time I've had a full day of APES and I didn't realize it was such an issue. Remember that you can always play coy when people ask you to share what's on the test. You are promoting laziness when you tell them!
Integrity, responsibility, and trust are all abstract ideas that are characteristics of a person. From what I learned scouting, the scout law has 12 principles which include integrity and trust. Responsibility is something not mentioned in any part of the scout oath or law because it is an abstract idea that scouts learn from older scouts or parents. People learn what responsibility is throughout their years in scouting. Integrity is an idea that people can only express; that is only being true to their word whenever they say something. Trust is something that is developed over a long span of time unless that person trusts everyone around them. Trust is something that is unredeemable because if someone lies to you, you do not know if that person is telling the truth when you talk to them again.
I think every class I have has high security over cheating. Having high security classes over cheating does work depending on what the teachers do to watch their students. IN my classes, cheating is not so rampant because there is not much you can cheat with. But from time to time, there will be students who do cheat because the pressure from their parents or from colleges they want to go to. Students who cheat do it for a reason and they do know that it will hurt them later in life. Students who do commit to cheating will always do it because it’s a habit that cannot be stopped unless the student is well-disciplined and they only do it to gain the upper hand. Cheating is common in every school. Students who do cheat are either lazy to study or they just didn’t study the night before and couldn’t take the F grade. Cheating is something that is wrong to do, but everyone has done this one point in their life because people see it as the shorter path to go than the long path of something.
Personally I think integrity varies by person and what is considered wrong by many may be considered justified in some. I really don't like the word cheating because I feel there will never be an equal opportunity situation. Someone will always have the upper advantage. Take tutoring for example, for most of us Asians, it's accepted as a way to gain an edge or at least know the same as the others, but to most Caucasians and other ethnicities, they see it as outright cheating. How can we be evaluated equally when we are paying money that some people cannot afford for opportunities "to circumvent the evaluation process". Everyone has "cheated" before in their life, there is no denying that. Cheating is part of our nature, as is emotions such as love, hate, jealousy. We bash the "cheaters" that got caught and spout our fake philosophies, but we could be next. Now I'm not saying everyone "cheats", but can you honestly say you never asked a friend or person you know from a previous period about "what do I need to know"?
I have had classes with high security, and let me say this, if someone is set on cheating, there is no way to prevent it. Unless the teacher is willing to administer tests with cameras monitoring every angle, there exists a way.
I don't have classes where cheating is rampant, but it's not like its a rarity. Its been in my environment for as long as I remember that I don't really care about it anymore, honestly I may get slightly annoyed, but there's nothing I can do about it. Cheating does make a difference, as long as you don't caught. I think it is more common at AHS than what people chose to believe or admit.
How can we be evaluated equally when we are paying money that some people cannot afford for opportunities "to circumvent the evaluation process".
Wow that is a point that did not cross my mind, so this brings up the question...where do we draw the line for cheating? who gets to choose what cheating really is? I feel people on this blog are missing the point of what this whole "cheating" problem is truly addressing.
I think cheating is when you look over someone's shoulders and copy exactly what they have.
Other than that, it's fair game ~
totally true, its just fair game if a cheat sheet is allowed to begin with, common, they just used their resources in a different way
I think the problem was more along the lines of obtaining test questions that weren't supposed to be obtainable in the first place.
Also some people wrote on the back, which they weren't supposed to.
i feel like youve elaborated on what ive mentioned earlier. I agree.
To further strengthen your point about Asians getting tutored and such, someone came up to me at one of my competitions stating exactly what Kenneth has mentioned. He basically told me his son moved away to a Caucasian school because San Marino and Arcadia Asians are all just cheaters. "They pay and can afford to pay for extra help and tutoring." I was shocked at first but this presents a case similar to the SATs.
The purpose of the test is to evaluate where one is at in his/her academic achievements or place in the general body of students. It is to test and stretch out what one has learned through the course of time in school. With extra help such as SAT prep classes ( SMA, ELITE, ACI ) people are able to easily hit an amazing score. Theyve already mastered the test by taking all the prep classes which includes numerous practice tests. A student already knows what to expect.
I totally agree; it's not really an "Aptitude" test anymore. It's almost like whoever can pay the most for tutoring and prep.
Integrity is something only you can define about yourself. We all have different morals, ethics, and values, causing us to have different definitions of integrity. Whatever you feel is right and wrong. Responsibility is knowing what you need to do, and making sure you fulfill and complete those tasks. Trust is something that is extremely hard to gain back, once it is lost. Many classes have "high security" and yes, it does work.. to a certain extent. AP Calculus is a perfect example. The teachers all teach the same thing everyday, and assign the same homework. However, there are still people who can get around these "high security" classes. Because homework is the same for every single person who is taking apcalc, homework is often done by one person and passed around the internet or by hand. There will always be that one person that finds a way to cheat. When cheating is a rampant, it is easy to get by day to day in that class, but in the end, you will realize you have learned nothing. In learning nothing, you will regret cheating later on when the information you didn't learn becomes important. I believe cheating is very common @ AHS because of our high expectations from our parents to do well in school. Integrity, responsibility, and trust are all very important to the majority of us, but sometimes amidst the struggles and stress school comes with causes us to forget. Sometimes we will do anything it takes to get that A, even if it means disregarding our morals.
I like what Joyce wrote here and I think it's more true than many of us would like to think. With so much pressure and stress going around these days, including parental pressure. Just wanting to get that A, "even if it means disregarding our morals" would provide enough incentive for someone to cheat.
Integrity, Responsibility, and trust are the basic fundamental moral values that people should have regardless of situation whether in a classroom or in a social surrounding. I have some classes that a strict on cheating policies and have "high security" and others that do not. I agree that cheating is common in AHS (ex. as a result of calc tests taken simultaneously.
Cheating. Cheating is the act of obtaining or attempting to obtain an unfair advantage in the process of completing a task or completing the task in a fashion otherwise specified. The roles of integrity, responsibility, and trust are all vitally important to a learning environment, and thus in a classroom. Responsibility and trust are a necessary component to a positive learning environment in order to maintain and achieve the optimum environment to learn. If everyone isn’t willing to learn the material and complete assessments of how much they’ve actually learned, then the lack of integrity would crumble the entire learning atmosphere and people would be discouraged to learn. Furthermore, without responsibility, others maybe attempt and succeed at cheating, thus decreasing the existent trust that presides over a classroom. If the teacher does not trust the students in a class, the students would, as a result, have difficulty communicating with the teacher, and would be hindered in their ability to learn the material. To some, people who cheat successfully destroy much motive to study. Why study if people who don’t study are obtaining the same, or even better scores? In a type of environment such as this, the students suffer. Yet, through this, the ones who truly learn are those who ignore the cheaters and continue attempting to learn the material. Those who cheat would eventually suffer because they don’t learn the material.
I think integrity, responsibility, and trust are an important part of life. however, even with last year's AP calc's "high security" methods of taking tests, i still think cheating is rampant throughout AHS. although it may seem easy that day by day you can cruise through class doing nothing and still get that "A"...but by the end of the day..all you did was just hurt yourself. basically, cheating is just wrong and comes with great consequences. yet, because of how competitive ahs can be, students who believe that they must fight to succeed and work harder than those that are smarter –faster –stronger than themselves, cheating to them may seem like the easy way out.
I think cheating is one of the complicated process occurring in high school lives. This really depends how we define cheating. If cheating is to know the problems of a test beforehand, then i think almost everyone cheats in Arcadia High School. It is almost impossible to prevent students from earlier periods to give away infromations on a particular test to their freinds, unless the teacher is hard-working enough to make 6 different version of tests all 6 periods. Thus, i think cheating is very common in AHS.
Most of the time "high security" classes prevent people from cheating, but there are a few that get by. I think cheating is common at AHS because our school is so competitive and because we always feel the pressure to get A's. The only way to make sure everyone learns in the class is if there are stricter cheating policies so that test questions/answers are not spread to other periods.
The role of integrity in a classroom is an unspoken level of understanding that comes with responsibility and trust. A student's own sense of integrity is a sense of being honest in the work the he or she does and using common sense to judge how to go about the right way to do things. I have been in high security classrooms where the teacher is especially stringent on homework and test-taking rules. These classes are almost always known as the "boring" ones that are never enjoyable to be in. The teachers that enforce these rules are also not well-liked, students often feel looked down upon, and whether we deserve that or not it is not a good feeling to be labeled as a cheater before you do anything. Though these stringent rules may prevent cheating to a certain degree, it influences more " clever" ways around the rules, creating a variety of cheating methods. I have been in classes wehre cheating was rampant and basically noone took that class seriously. That class was just another grade and no learning experience was pulled out from it. Cheating is very common at Arcadia High School because us students are so determined to bring home acceptable grades and get into the top colleges. Taking the easy way out is so tempting when you have so many other thigns to worry about. I believe thats where integrity comes in, and how individual's are distinguished not on paper but in life.
High security almost never works. The people that cheat already know if they wish to learn this material on their own or through other, immoral means. It would only increase the drop rate and have the studious stay in the class, so in the sense of creating an honest, hard working class, yes 'high security' would be beneficial. Cheating was not rampant in my prior classes because I took fairly rigorous classes with students with integrity that matched the criteria of such courses; however, as Arcadia is an extremly competitive school, cheating is probably rampant because it does have an attractive allure, providing solace to the stressed and pressured. Teachers can usually tell who studies and who doesn't through class discussion. This is why i think the class should spend more time talking together and actually delving into topics ( maybe we can solve AP problems together.) And do not ask for volunteers. Assigning names will keep every student on edge from fear of humiliation. Emphasizing cheating in high school is crucial because students must learn the obvious consequences of cheating before they cheat on more aspects of their lives.
I read the comment on the AP Calc class and how every student copies each other's homework. I would just like to say that i saw that... alot...ahhah. But to prove to my teacher how i don't cheat, and how lazy i, kind of, am, i just didn't do any homework. ahahah! Hey, it felt soooo much better to get a solid b and do well on the AP test rather than getting an artificial A and getting rocked in May.
I take a neutral stance on this. Why should we care if people choose to cheat themselves of knowledge. If anyone scolds a cheater and tells him/her how bad it is, are they more likely to stop a habit that they formed on their own? i doubt it. Sorry to say this, but they have to learn this lesson on their own. Much love to all, dont cheat for yourselves )
I believe that the role of integrity, responsibility, and most of all trust is extremely important not only in a classroom but everywhere else as well. Unfortunately, most of my classes are “high security” because my teachers fear that his or students would break the rules. This arduous process does work but it is not as effective. Sadly, this process can’t end because of the scant number of cheaters that exponentially grow until a few takes the blows by the consequences. Personally, I believe cheaters should go to a mini school jail or something because for everyone else who studied it isn’t fair for the cheaters to receive the same grades. This makes a huge difference because the cheaters are rewarded for doing something bad. I believe cheating prospers in AHS because of the competitiveness and because students are too busy and takes any opportunity to lessen their day’s load.
What Ms. Stevens mentioned in class is most definitely true. Integrity. Responsibility. and Trust are three important factors that play a major role not only in school but in our lives as well. Integrity deals with one’s morality and one’s own righteousness. Responsibility is having the ability to make moral or rational decisions and therefore be answerable for one's behavior. Trust ties everything together; it is a firm reliance on the integrity, ability, or character of a person.
Okay well first of all, I’m pretty sure everyone has cheated at least once in his or her lives. I agree with Rawad. The issue is what you consider as cheating. Cheating is an act of dishonesty, to deceive, mislead, and a practice of fraud. It happens everywhere, not only in school, but in our society as well. When people cheat in school, they are actually cheating themselves, but it all relates back to responsibility. It is one’s own decision to cheat, and students do so because the many factors that act upon them as teenagers in high school, from the stress our parents give us, to an escape of taking the easy way out. Responsibility and trust, however, is important in a classroom in order to build upon the relationship the teachers have with their students. Without this bond, the use of a healthy educational environment that parents send their kids to school for won’t come into effect.
Overall, I honestly think it’s unfair to punish or criticize those who got caught just because they were unlucky ones. Especially when all the other periods received warnings, well not all but most, and if we put ourselves in their shoes, we would want a second chance of redemption too. I also agree with Athena and Yurika. We can’t bash on those who got caught for losing our privileges. Yes, they may have gotten caught this time, but think of all the other times you were able to get away with things like copying homework, using other people’s cheat sheets, or relying on any other source that doesn’t involve much brainwork. And yes it’s wrong that we all have taken advantage of the teacher. If cheating was a crime, we would’ve all gone to jail.
Even though its completely valid, I think its interesting that people from earlier periods continue to state how unfair it is for later periods to know what is already on the test. However, information leaks because people from those periods chose to share. Assisting someone in cheating is also considered cheating, no?
Many people have already said this, but Calc AB does have high-security measures. But what is considered cheating? What if you've seen a test from previous years before taking the actual test. Is that considered cheating?
Nevertheless, it does suck when you've studied really hard for a test, and someone that didn't even study gets a better score than you do.
yeah, but how about those people who don't leak any information?? They still have to suffer the consequences because other people chose to leak the questions and answers.
No matter how strongly the teacher tries to enforce it, there is bound to be at least one person who will leak the info. to someone in another period.
I think when we as students sign cheating policies, we are telling the teachers that they can have faith in us that we won't cheat--because that's what trust is, it's having faith. It is our responsibility to maintain the trust, and when we violate that trust, it takes time to regain it, which, unfortunately, does not bode well for the rest of us.
This has been said countless times, but I think the way that the AP Calculus AB classes administer their tests at 7AM is a really efficient way to prevent cheating, especially because cheating can be something so simple as telling your friend in another period what's on the exam, because then not everyone has a fair chance. I would consider those classes as having "high security." Sometimes I forget that even something as trivial as letting someone copy something off your homework constitutes as cheating, but it does, and I think more people do it then they realize (including myself).
Cheating is definitely an issue, though, because it's so competitive here at Arcadia and everyone is focusing on their grades and not on the knowledge attained, like everyone's said. At least it's not as bad as Diamond Bar HS, cause I know that a few years back there was a huge scandal regarding students taking the SAT for other students.
In life, we are always confronted with decisions that test our integrity. As we mature and get older, we become responsible for our own actions and are subject to accepting the consequences, short term and long term. To cheat is a personal choice, and honestly, can you expect everyone to always follow the rules and be ethical? No, of course not. Behind every decision, there is a reason. In this case, people were compelled to take this course of action for the sake of a letter grade. Sometimes people are so driven --- to not have to study so hard, to get A’s so their transcript looks good for college, or so their parents don’t get mad --- that they forget what a test/score really signifies. A test is but an evaluation to see what you have learned acquired --- mentally, not literally (like cheat sheets). If you’re only taking this class because you thought it was an easy AP, or you thought you could breeze right through it, you are sorely wrong. Many of us have found this class to be quite demanding, but that only makes us work even harder. However, there are always going to be those who choose to take the easy road. Those kinds of people may have the same habit before and well after high school, and they may slide past situations many times, but ultimately, they are at a loss. The content we learn in school, despite what many may think, benefits us because we become more knowledgeable. Especially, in a class like APES, we are training ourselves to become better educated and more aware of the causes and effects of the environmental issues that exist today. By learning all this, we all have the potential to lead healthier lives and to educate others unaware of society’s problems.
As for concerns about period 6 getting info about the tests/FRQ questions, I can relate to the earlier periods --- because I, too, have been in your place when people have bombarded me with questions about tests, and I have to submit to their annoyances. But I have learned my lesson about that. I honestly could care less whether I knew something like the FRQ topic… [Pretend I found the topic out. Okay, so now I’m only going to really focus on that, and then, later I get screwed for not studying the other stuff.] But again, you know there are always going to be people who pressure others into saying things. I think people should just do their own thing, and leave each other alone about the questions. If you didn’t study something and you miss it on the test, that’s FINE. Just do better next time… Because if you do cheat, you’ll get screwed over for a cumulative test anyway… and you will definitely not have acquired good studying habits. People learn through mistakes, not through cheating.
the first comment i made was actually made by my brother, daniel lee, not me.
Integrity, responsibility, and trust are three extremely vital components in a classroom, especially in an AP class. Students taking college-level courses are expected to behave like model college students. This means that students should be honestin their school work and be able to achieve a trust with the teacher. Also, the purpose of a class is to impart knowledge in major areas like responsibility and integrity to students, and it counter-productive for students to practice cheating or irresponsibility. But, such ideal students are hard to come by. There are many of us who have cheated in the past, and many more who will in the future. That is why various classes impose strict anti-cheating measures; this can be in the form of temporary cardboard walls, widely spaced desks,or the odd placement of students. I have been in such classes and I can safely say cheating is highly reduced in them. I have also been in classes where cheating is rampant and many of these classes have a negative atmosphere. The students here are not that motivated and scholarly insight is often nonexistent. Anti-cheating measures is effective in preventing cheating, but not in changing student attitudes. there are classes with strict cheating policies and lack of student enthusiasm. Through my observations at Arcadia High School, I believe that cheating is as prevalent as anywhere else; there are students with all types of backgrounds, in all types of classes, who cheat. Cheating, however, is genuinely detremental to students and the learning process. There are many students who have too much to do and resort to cheating, those who just don't feel like studying, and the rest who are in between. To all of you, I just want to say, please be honest; it has its benefits and that's why they say honesty is the best policy. In the long run that's what it all comes down to: honesty. And besides, I want to take the next quarter finals with 2 other people.
Personally, I believe that to some extent, every teacher trusts their students; otherwise, there wouldn’t be a proper opportunity to learn. Trust is a crucial component to the learning environment. Without trust, there is only a lingering sense of paranoia and suspicion. Although it may seem negative, there is probably some person that will always try to cheat, no matter how difficult or how much anti-cheating devices the teacher places upon the tests. In the end, it all boils down to a matter of moral integrity—those who believe that cheating is the wrong thing to do, and those who believe that it is merely another way of getting higher grades. Somehow, I think that most of the cheating stems from the pressure of getting a high grade in the class without having to do the work. Personally, I believe that no matter how tempting it is to have a high grade, a person shouldn’t be able to get away with cheating. It is not fair to the people who have worked extremely hard and have studied for nights and nights. Cheating is just plain wrong.
While trust is a neccessary component between friends, its not always important between teachers and students. The lingering sense of paranioa and suspicion is only the result of students who have already abused the trust which Stevens has already attempted to give us. A few of us violated that trust, and now its up to us as a whole to rebuilt it and prove or integrity and responsibility once again.
Integrity to me is the form of honesty, trust, reliance. Now I believe that AHS classrooms do not have a high level of integrity whatsoever lol. Even though a lot of students are caught cheating in classrooms, most of the people who cheat do NOT get caught, and that is a big dissapointment in my view because it is unfair to others who worked diligently to get a good grade in the class.
Cheating seems to be prevalent at Arcadia High School, and perhaps more so than most other schools because of our societal expectations. It seems hard to cheat in most classes because the tests change. However, it seems extremely unfair to punish the people who have been working hard and studying for the tests. In fact, this can be counter-productive, as the cheaters (who've never studied for tests anyway) will most likely devise new methods to bypass the system (since they already have the tests). Moreover, the hardworkers in the class are now panicking, as the review sheets were very helpful for aiding us in understanding the course. I just feel that punishing more than 120 people for the nefarious actions of perhaps 20-30 is egregiously unfair. Cheating is obviously wrong, but it HAPPENS. It can't be stopped. No matter what happens, cheating occurs.
People often cheat out of 1) desperation or 2) lazyness. I think it demonstrates the person's inability to problem solve. Instead of spending more studying, the effort is put into cheating. It's understandable some people still do poorly after studying hard, which causes them to be tempted to cheat because their efforts have been in vain. These people just need to accept that they're just going to get a bad grade and move on. Cheating is taking the easy way out.
Often we don't realize how cheating affects us as people, and how it carries over with age. I think people underestimate their own capabilites sometimes because they could always take the time and study themselves-yet they feel that they need to cheat because they don't believe in their own skills. Cheating however, is not the way to get a grade because ultimately it gets back to you, whether it is when you have a final exam that you will fail because you can't find a way to cheat it, or whether it's later in life when you have taxes and issues that you can't avoid by using easy ways out such as cheating. I think that no matter how much schools try and restrict cheating and punish it, there will always be someone somewhere looking to beat the system for their own advantage over people.
Just like trust amongst friends, we need trust within a classroom. If teachers can't trust their students, not only will the class be uptight, but it also won't be as fun as it could be. However, I think it is difficult to cheat in class, because many teachers give different forms per row, so you can't copy off of anyone. I think that facing the consequences for cheating is necessary.
Integrity, responsibility, and trust in a classroom vary highly among students. Neither will I preach against the lack exhibited by some, nor do I feel it my place to encourage such dishonesty. Personally, I do not have any classes that I consider "high security." The term is foreign when applied to education. Classes that assign "busy" work are the ones in which cheating occurs most. The term cheating broadly covers deception, trickery, and imposture. Arcadia has its share of all, yet it is unjustified to cast the shroud of blame solely upon the competitive academic environment. Personal factors must be taken into account with each individual. Whether or not it can be labeled 'common' depends on which school Arcadia is compared to.
Integrity in the classroom means doing what you're supposed to do even if no one sees you. Though it is possible to cheat without getting caught, having integrity means we won't cheat despite the fact that we can. Responsibility in the classroom means we do our work the right way. We work hard to get the work done, not find some way to merely look like we did work when we really did not. Trust in the classroom is a mutual feeling of dependability and honesty between two parties. When teachers trust their students, they believe what their students claim because the students are dependable. My math class is rather high-security and it works. Then again it's rather difficult to cheat in math because we have to show all the work and do not have any multiple choice questions. This year I do not have any classes where cheating is rampant. I can imagine it would feel awful though, because even if I didn't cheat and others were cheating, there would be a constant fear of having the class get caught. Cheating is common at all schools. AHS is just a normal school where students cheat either out of desperation or laziness.
i think cheating is common in all schools not just here, and i think since we all are high school students, people can decided what they want to do, but each individual must be responsible for the consequences. i think most of my classes have high security, but there are still some people who just trying to cheat, and i think it is unfair to other students who actually study for the test, especially those who still did bad.
I think integrity, resposibility and trust are really important in our social life. Integrity is like respect, which is the basic element we need to treat other people. We have to carry a sense of respect. Cheating is an act of not respecting the teacher and yourself, it shows that the cheater does not even carry a sense of integrity. Studying for tests is undoubtedly a responsibility for students. Our job is to go to school and study, if we don't even want to take this simple responsibility, we are not ready to go to the real world and work.Creating tust with others is a really signiicant social skill. It needs our effot to build up trust with each other, and once we show that we are not trustworthy, people will start to doubt our credibility no matter how hard we try tomake it up. I think cheating is ultimately the student's fault, even if the student may be provided some source to cheat, it is still the student's own choice to cheat or not. We need to build up a sense of integrity, responsibility and trust to end this atonishing cheating inncident.
Yes i do have classes with high security classes to prevent cheating. I believe the system is a failure because many students actually cheated without being caught.I also have a class that is rampant in cheating. It is an honor to be in such type of class, where the teachers and students have trust. This makes me feel horrible if i break that trust by cheating. I highly believe cheating is a common thing in AHS. It is because of the pressure from the parents that makes the kids want to cheat.
I think your integrity shows a lot about your character and it includes your responsibility and how willing you are to own up to your actions. In a class room there should be trust between the teacher and students and the teacher shouldn't have to be constantly worrying about the students cheating on any assignment or test or the classroom can't function well and get any learning done. I have been in high security classes where the teachers try to do everything in their world to prevent cheating but nonetheless there are those that get away with it but in the long run, you're going to have to deal with consequences one way or the other. When the consequences affect others, it's even worse. Other people shouldn't have to take on your responsibility in dealing with your consequence. Cheating seems to be very common among AHS students and it could be for various reasons but in the end I think a lot of us can agree that it's just taking the easy way out, but it's never worth it.
I think integrity, responsibility, and trust are essential to a proper learning environment. They ensure that a student is reliable and can be counted on. Having integrity means you know your own worth. Being responsible means you are accountable for all your actions and being trustworthy enables others to rely on you.My classes aren't particularly high security, but I have had some that were. For instance Ms. King would take a calculators away after tests and we could get them back only after everyone had taken the test, I think this helped. I think cheating is very common at AHS and it makes me mad because it undermines all of our hard work. Cheating is trying to find an easy way out of something that is not supposed to be easy. When you cheat, you do not gain anything from the experience, after all it is the endeavor that defines us, not the outcome.
I have had and still do have classes with high security. The high security that i had in a class is that we get different forms of tests so we cannot copy other students' tests. And I think cheating is common in every class because the students who had the class before other students can tell other students what is on the test, except calculus AB since everyone takes the test in the morning before school starts. I think integrity is essential for us to have to not cheat because many times students can get away with cheating. Also without integrity, the trust between the students and the teacher can be broken.
I believe that integrity, responsibilty, and trust all fall in very similar catagories. It all has to do not only with the knowledge of what these words mean, but also with the strength to abide by them. I have had high security classrooms before. Where the tests you take are very closely observed by the teacher, taken at the same time, or have different versions of the test. I have also been in many, many classrooms where cheating was common in almost everything from homework, quizzes and tests. I have found that cheating is surprisingly common in my three years here in arcadia high school.
well, now that cheating is rampant is an established fact, who's up for some studying? Instead of all these talk about cheating, how bout someone find out who Garlord Nelson is? I'm not making it up he is in the book.
So many people, at some point in their life, cheated. I don't think the lose system or the optimistic view of how there CAN be a perfect classroom without students trying to cheat is possible. But building trust between teacher and student is important because once the student breaks the trust, wouldn't the teacher try to make everyone else's life harder?
Cheating is really common here in AHS even though there are rules trying to prevent that. It is wrong to cheat, but cheaters might not think the same way. I think that no matter how hard a teacher tries to prevent a class from cheating, someone in their class will find way to cheat. I guess it is just the way they view things, they don't think that cheating/lying/stealing is wrong. Just think that no one is perfect. So don't cheat to get perfect scores, do you feel good getting a grade you don't deserve?
wow this is so fun to read! SO heated. i think we should send this out to the newspaper/magazine article. everyone's making really good points. we'd be famous.
Yeah lol i agree, A lot of people are making good points.
Cheating is way too common in Arcadia and I believe that part of this has to do with the fact that Arcadia (with students taking maximum aps and etc) has created the illusion that we cannot be less than perfect. Yes, it's not fair for those we actually took the time to study and get punished befcause of the few who decided cheating is a better way to earn an A. But I would be a hypocrite to criticize those we decided to cheat because I too, have cheated before. I'm sure that everyone has. But as the years go by, I realized that it's not worth it. I'm trying not to cheat once this year and so far it's making me feel so much better about my self. So take those 2-3 extra hours to study; what do you have to lose?
Integrity, responsibilty, and trust actually have a strong connection. A person cannot have them if they lack anyone of them. And there's always something you never know, and everyone has a secret. But cheating is just not a right thing to do. It is lying, not only to teachers, but also to yourself.
Cheating is really common not only in AHS but also common in all schools around the world. This is how humans are, people always find ways to take advantages and find an easier way to do things.
But here the problem rises, what is going to happen to those people if they cant cheat anymore? If they already have a habit of cheating, then something is killing them when they finish school. The society is always more cruel to people who tries to lie and cheat. To those who cheat, think further about your life.
Integrity, responsibility and trust are interconnected and definitely needed for many systems to function effectively. Many people have different views on the definitions of these words and may not think they are lacking one of these characteristics. It is great to have teachers who still trust their students, but unfortunately,there will always be people who take advantage of that trust. There are classes with high security that work quite efficiently. In order to create a fair assessment, a new test is definitely needed each year. But there would also be problems with students in later periods having an unfair advantage. I have never had classes where cheating was rampant. But the reason may be that not as many students had access to sources and they were more careful when cheating. Everyone has definitely cheated at one point in their life, but to continue to cheat up till this point shows a lack in the characteristics mentioned above. Cheating happens all the time and is a part of human nature. People are always tempted to take the easy way out and will do all they can to be ahead. It disgusts me how far people will go to cheat, yet I can also understand the motivations behind it. I have known people who have cheated all my life and simply ignored it, but when the actions of few affects others negatively, it simply angers me. People should take responsibility for their actions and not drag hard working and fair people down with them.
I also agree with some of the comments above about hypocrites. It is ridiculous yet funny how many people who cheats are criticizing cheaters. They are cheaters themselves yet are putting on a mask to blend in with the rest of us by criticizing their own actions. Disgusting.
I think that many schools do not have a high level of security regarding cheating. Though a cheating policy is signed at the beginning of the year, most people do not sign it with the idea of following by it. Regarding trust, I believe that when people cheat, it's because they do not feel like they do not have enough confidence in themselves to trust their own judgement. Lots of times, people cheat and score better while people who honestly do their own work fail, and yet the idea that those who cheat will only hurt themselves does not necessarily stand true in these cases. Those who cheat get great scores, and if they don't get caught, sometimes it doesn't really matter whether they learned the material at all because they might never apply it again. Moreover, once the year ends, people generally forget what they learned anyway. Take history for example, chances are, it isn't crucial for life, do the students don't care if they don't retain the material. But for those that didn't cheat, they end the year with worse scores because they chose to be honest, and yet the end result seems to be the same, if not worse. This would probably explain why people choose to cheat, sometimes knowing that they won't get caught. There are some classes where all students cheat, and although the teachers are aware of this, they do nothing about it simply because they do not want to deal with it, or because they cannot punish each and every student that cheated. In this case, I believe that the teacher is to blame as much as the students are. Though the students are breaking the rules by cheating, the teachers are doing the same thing as well by not taking any action whatsoever.
In Arcadia especially, the standards of the students are set higer than the average schools, which results in students taking all measure possible to attain that grades that are satisfactory. Due to the high expectations, students forget that they attend school to learn, not to get good marks. By focusing so much on just getting good grades by by any means, they lose their desire to actually learn something. And wasn't that the whole point of school in the first place?
Sounds like the ED in here (and if you know what I am talking about, props to you).
Yes, I did have classes that were "high security," and quite honestly it is the higher-learning level classes that seem to be more paranoid. In my regular classes (English), even if you talk during the test, the teacher either does not catch it or does not seem to mind. In Honors or AP, I swear the teachers will look like they will murder you if you even peep at another person's test. Not fun, but it is what Thomas Paine says, "people are evil, and cannot be trusted."
Of course, I am naturally against cheating. I do not think it is fair that the rest of us have to fall back on only our minds while someone else, in the shadows, pulls out the golden cheat sheet, figuratively speaking. People have tried to rely on me so they can cheat on tests (not this class, but a few years back), and I disliked the fact that they did not want to study.
Or bring their own textbooks, for that matter, and rely on someone else to bring it all the time.
Despite what a lot of people say, there is a lot of cheating going around in AHS, right under our noses. One really has to find it to see it for themselves (many are very well hidden).
Everyone cheats only if they know they can get away with it. With the review sheets, it was an opportunity for many students to circumvent the learning process. The review sheets had a good purpose, but were taken advantaged of. Having rampant cheaters in class can make the few legitimate test-takers feel disadvantaged and more inclined to jump onto the bandwagon.
Personally, I have never been in a class where students were using past tests, thus i dont believe its rampant. Most teachers make multiple versions and also use different tests from last year.
Even with "high security", cheating is always possible, but not as rampant. Even teachers who make multiple tests and different versions have a limited amount of content and ways to test their students. Pop quizzes lose their pop after first period.
The cheating was probably further encouraged by the fact that many students believe APES to be one of the "easy APs," one out of a few AP classes that'll give the AP repute but not the AP workload.
Classes where cheating is rampant? Cheating is hard to define. Is giving a friend from another period the general gist of the test cheating? - like pointers, the ideas covered? The generic definition of cheating seems to be anything that gives somebody an unfair advantage. So what about a student whose parents pay for a tutor? Anyways, I control-F'ed "tutor" and I agree with Kenneth in that somebody will always have an advantage. The world's unfair. I've always been ticked that rich white males have been statistically proven to score better on the SAT's, but. That's beside the point (what is my point, anyways?)
I think AHS has just as much cheating (if not more) than any other school. At other schools, people’d cheat to pass. At AHS, people cheat to gain that edge over their classmates because few people are satisfied with “just passing.”
Nothing in excess, I suppose. Trust and integrity and responsibility included.
My APcalcAB takes all its exams at 7:00 in the morning.
Late... but better late than never right?
I like to be able to trust the teacher. When they say something will happen on a certain day, or when they say no homework, it really means no homework. In return, I act in a way so that I can be trusted too. I'm sure Ms.Stevens is... dissappointed in.."us". I don't really want to include myself in this group... >.>
I don't pay that much attention to cheaters. I wouldn't watch at specific people to see if they are cheating or not. If I learn that certain people are cheating, my respect for them would be lowered. I think most people can learn and understand the material. They only cheat because they are too lazy to learn. If there is a lot of cheating in a classroom, I wouldn't try as hard to get a good grade. I wouldn't necessarily cheat with others, but I just won't work as hard for my grade. I can guess that AHS would have a lot of cheating around. I don't see them, but I would guess there are a lot.
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